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Anyway, Foxes, you said ,"...The pain of death is not for entertainment." - what makes you think art is merely entertainment? Art is supposed to help you experience all of the human soul, in pain as well as in glory. Art is not merely beauty (although sometimes it does achieve that), art is a reflection of all life, all experience. Perhaps this is part of what you're missing in these exhibits.

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I have to agree with you TTF. My gripe is with the use of pictures of dead children for art. I do see where you are coming from and I suppose it is sometimes difficult to distinguish between where art stops and news begins. So from a personel point of view I have to ask what justifies the use of a picture for the purposes of art. The body of a child in my opinion should only be used as an illustration for news and education. Even then I have my reservations. Early art was often used as a means of informing the illiterate masses about mainly religeous matters and the 'art' was secondary. I wonder what lay in the mind of the artist who uses a body of a child for their work.

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hmm...nope better not touch this one.


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Hi

Well I could do a complete psychological reference but think it may be best to leave alone. I still side with Fox on my personal opinion. I am not too sure how one gets from pictures of dead baby or child to art??

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Because it can show the horrors of death, the transience of being, or the innocence of one given soul - all in one photograph. Art isn't just one thing, one emotion - it is layered experience, or it's not good art.

All of the great paintings, for instance, mean one thing one day and another the next - to the same person. Yet they also have a quality of timelessness that appeals to all. That's one of the things that makes them great. As well as rare.

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Where does art end and the telling of news begin? the depictions of death once used were, I understand, for puting across political and theological points to those who could not read. For example depicting the crucifiction in church art accompnied by other un-written narratives.
As the majority who would have access to art can now almost certainly read what is the point of the dead body of a child? for whatever reason the child has died where does art come into it? if the display of a picture of a childs body is to make a point then it should be made clear and in my opinion actualy strays into the area that I consider to be news or debate where the 'art' is incidental.
I can see the grey in the argument because I can hear some saying 'well don't you look at old paintings of battles and admire the art?' The answer is 'yes I do' but again have to point out that these paintings where normaly for information and propaganda purposes, the 'art' was incidental.
If someone wishes to use a picture of a dead person then in my opinion the purpose should be clearly stated. That way one can decide if it's art or point making and if it is valid or not.
On the other hand if art does not involve such subjects then I personaly am ok with it and can see that art in it's many forms brings real joy to others and what I like does not mean that others have to aswell and vice versa.
I'm off to bed now lol


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Hi Graham

I do be;lieve you have some real good valid points there

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