cameron movie nit picks...you got em i know https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/t695 Runboard| cameron movie nit picks...you got em i know en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:45:20 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:45:20 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165997,from=rss#post165997https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165997,from=rss#post165997quote:titanicangel06 wrote: [...] when rose was floating on the door singing, when the cam goes to the sky you can see an airliner flying overhead with its lights flashing. I can't remember ever hearing that be said before. quote:Does anyone know What World War 2 ship was used in filming some of the boiler room scenes in the James Cameron film? My trivia list says the WWII ship SS Jeremiah O'Brien (Smaller railings and catwalks were installed to make the engines appear bigger) but I thought it was one of the Queen's..can anyone confirm the SS Jeremiah O' Brien?? I'm not an expert on other ships...I just know Titanic and her sisters.. It is correct, I believe, that footage of the SS Jeremiah O' Brien's engines were used in the film. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Titanic 1912)Sun, 25 Nov 2012 06:05:25 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12535,from=rss#post12535https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12535,from=rss#post12535This thread has expired from the time in titanic rms. if used it will be reinstated date moved 01-08-04 time 12.47 by Graham from rms titanic to archive --------------------------------------------- Moved to Titanic on the Screen - 25/11/2012 - by Titanic 1912. ---------------------------------------------nondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:49:38 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12534,from=rss#post12534https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12534,from=rss#post12534You're wecome, sir. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Mon, 10 May 2004 21:10:01 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12533,from=rss#post12533https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12533,from=rss#post12533Why thank you lights Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Mon, 10 May 2004 16:50:13 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12532,from=rss#post12532https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12532,from=rss#post12532quote:Graham 01 wrote: hi re car scene, where there's a will there's a way. think positive and I am sure you will think of one. Or is it just my mind working overtime now. tea shirts and jeans. Hmmm does nowt for me :-) Graham Graham, As always, you are a gentleman of taste and refinement! nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Mon, 10 May 2004 16:04:07 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12531,from=rss#post12531https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12531,from=rss#post12531Hi Rosie 1912 I am afraid not been up on the movie or realy any movie, Not been a buff, I am unsure as this one goes. I may not like the movie but find this thread intriguing. I do however seem to remeber something about a WWII ship been used but again I dont realy know. Regads Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:37:00 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12530,from=rss#post12530https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12530,from=rss#post12530Does anyone know What World War 2 ship was used in filming some of the boiler room scenes in the James Cameron film? My trivia list says the WWII ship SS Jeremiah O'Brien (Smaller railings and catwalks were installed to make the engines appear bigger) but I thought it was one of the Queen's..can anyone confirm the SS Jeremiah O' Brien?? I'm not an expert on other ships...I just know Titanic and her sisters.. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:13:10 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12529,from=rss#post12529https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12529,from=rss#post12529The two founders of the Titanic Historical Society, Ed and Karen Kamuda, are also in there - they're strolling the deck behind Molly Brown as she's talking to Jack about what he's going to wear for dinner.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Teamtunafish)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 17:49:36 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12528,from=rss#post12528https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12528,from=rss#post12528Graham- Yes you are correct in a sense. Hidden faces being passengers on the ship who where never mentioned by name but are known because of books and such (ie: Douglas Spedden and the top as Jack climbs into 1st class, he isn't mentioned by name but because of the famous picture we know who he is) they belong in the scene but just aren't well known as Molly Brown or the Astors. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 16:22:12 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12527,from=rss#post12527https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12527,from=rss#post12527I like in the end when you see lowe with the flashlight before he gives instructions to go back he moves his flashlight in circles but if you look the light on the showing down on the boat doesnt move at all. It looks like soeone forgot to dim the backdrop lights because right before that he turnedaround and looked to have had a very suprised look on his face.His eyes were wide like he was saying" arent you forgetting something guys?"nondisclosed_email@example.com (titanicangel06)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 14:29:49 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12526,from=rss#post12526https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12526,from=rss#post12526Hi Titanica I think they mean people in the scenes who should not be there and not mentioned by name but may be wrong Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:50:11 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12525,from=rss#post12525https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12525,from=rss#post12525Hello all, please tell me what "Hidden Faces" here mean? Who are these people you are talking about here?? I really don't know!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Titanica)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 07:09:13 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12524,from=rss#post12524https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12524,from=rss#post12524Hi All Wow the list goes on and on, As for historians not been correct all the time, it was Don Lynch who said Hichens was harbour master till proved wrong. He also said Hichens stole a boat to return to UK from Africa. Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 05:46:28 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12523,from=rss#post12523https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12523,from=rss#post12523yeah that was wrong . you would never have seen a 3rd class person with any other class of passengers in those days... that is for sure. willsnondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:38:53 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12522,from=rss#post12522https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12522,from=rss#post12522Don't forget it wasn't just James Cameron - there are hundreds of people involved in a movie, not all of them experts on the historical context of the film. I think the one that bugged me the most was the idea that no one would notice someone sneaking up from Third Class. This could have gotten the ship quarantined in New York harbor for two weeks at White Star's expense. Hardly believable.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Teamtunafish)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:24:54 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12521,from=rss#post12521https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12521,from=rss#post12521very interesting indeed... don lynch is a great historian too. it is hrad to belive that he would let something like that slip by.... i guess you really can not catch everything all the time. willsnondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:15:10 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12520,from=rss#post12520https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12520,from=rss#post12520Bloopers are on a lot of sites.. I've got them on mine.. Here's the Hidden Faces.. Now, I didn't write these, someone submitted them to me for me to place on my Titanic site.. but they're interesting none the less.. 1. Jack Thayer- Outside on B-Deck immediately after the collision; asks, "Did you see all the fun?" Or something of the like. 2. Harry Widener- Same scene. Tosses Jack a chunk of ice. 3. Mr. George Widener- Same scene again. Standing beside Harry. 4. Ms. Elizabeth Lines- Sitting behind Capt. Smith and Mr. Ismay as they are talking about lighting the last four boilers. 5. William T. Stead- Walking at the base of the Grand Staircase behind Cal immediately after the collision. 6. Frederick Spedden- Tall, slinder gentleman watching the little boy spin the top when Jack steals the coat. Is played by THS Historian, Mr. Don Lynch. 7. Robert Spedden- Same scene. The little boy spinning the top. 8. Charles M. Hays- Standing behind Molly Brown on A-Deck after the collision. 9. Thornton Davidson- Same scene. Same location. 10. The Carter children- On the boat-deck in the scene where Jack is showing Rose his drawings. 11. Mary Lines- Is seen with Elizabeth Lines in the scene where Smith and Ismay are discussing the boilers. 12. Richard Fraser White- Walks up to the Lines' table in the same scene with Smith and Ismay. 13. The Marvins- They are the couple who are seperated when Boat No. 10 is loaded. Were origionally supposed to have had a large role in the film. 14. Capt. Edward G. Crosby- Is the old man watching Robert Spedden spin his top when Jack steals the coat. 15. Mr. and Mrs. Dickinson H. Bishop- They are the couple that lets out a yell when Lifeboat No. 7 jerks in its davits. 16. Chief Baker Charles Joughin- Mr. Joughin can clearly be seen on the stern of the ship. He helps Rose and says, "I've got you, Miss." He is also visible on the stern beside Jack and Rose, still downing Gordon's Gin. You can't miss him. 17. Mr. and Mrs. William Carter- Are seen boarding the ship with more than one dog. They were the only passengers on board with more than one dog. 18. Ed and Karen Kamuda- Can be briefly seen on the promenade deck during the spitting scene. Although some can't spot them due to the fact that they are easily missed, I got the info. from the couple who played them. 19. Laura Frankatelli- Is visible behind Sir Cosmo and Lucille Duff Gordon when they board at Cherbourg. She was the Gordon's secretary. 20. Victor Giglio- Is the young man sitting in a chair behind Benjamin Guggenheim during his death scene. 21. Major Arthur Peuchen- Is the man sitting behind Molly Brown in the lifeboat while she is having an argument about going back for more survivors. 22. Robert Hitchens- Same scene. Is the man Molly is arguing with. 23. Mrs. Caroline Brown- Is being escorted by Colonel Gracie to the forward lifeboats when Rose runs up to him inquiring as to whether or not there are any more boats. 24. Ms. Edith Evans- Same scene. Is also being escorted. 25. Gladys Cherry- Is the young lady with the Countess of Rothes as the ladies are snubbing Molly Brown at tea. 26. Eva Hart- Is the little girl crying in the lifeboat as it is being lowered. Says, "Daddy, get in the boat!" 27. Mr. Hart- Same scene. Is the man talking to Eva. Says, "You be a good little girl and hold mommy's hand. This boat's for the mommies and children, their will be another for the daddies." 28. Father Thomas Byles- Is the priest praying with the passengers on the stern as the ship sinks. 29. John B. Thayer- Descending the Grand Staircase before Jack sees Rose before dinner. 30. Marion Thayer- Same scene. Is wearing a lime-green dress. 31. Mrs. Hays- Standing with Mr. Hays at a banister in the above-mentioned scene. 32. Mr. and Mrs. Frank M. Warren- Mr. Warren is the man who nods at Jack at the base of the Grand Staircase before he goes to dinner. 33. Washington Dodge- The man who walks by as Rose is first viewing Jack's drawings. 34. Jakob Birnbaum- The man who Jack punches in the water. 35. Engelhart Osby- Is the older gentleman on the stern, contemplating whether or not to go farther aft. 36. Harry Molson- Is descending the staircase as Spicer Lovejoy slips the necklace in Jack's pocket. 37. Wallace Henry Hartely- Is the leader of the Titanic's orchestra. Plays a violin and is the first to volunteer to stay in the film. 38. Percy Cornelius Taylor- Is the member of the Titanic's orchestra who has the fancy mustache. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Fri, 09 Apr 2004 00:08:05 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12519,from=rss#post12519https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12519,from=rss#post12519wow that is a lot of things. lol. there actually was a website called titanic bloopers but i amnot sure if it is still active or not. you are right about the 'hidden' faces .. don lynch played the boys father. ed and karen kamuda [founders and president of the titanic historical society] played first class passengers lounging in deck chairs. i thought that was pretty cool. willsnondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:20:10 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12518,from=rss#post12518https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12518,from=rss#post12518and some more.. You guys are going to have fun..lol I've also got "Hidden Faces" as well: You know the famous faces such as Smith and the officers, the Strauss', Astor's, Duff Gordon's, Countess of Roths, etc, but there are "hidden faces" that are meant to be some well known passengers, such as: The little boy spinning the top on the deck as Jack sneaks to the 1st class area, the boy is suppose to be Douglas Spedden and the guy who said "Very good" or "well done" (forgot which) is Don Lynch. I'll post those later.. Continuity: After Jack saves Rose from jumping from the stern of the ship, the make-up under Rose's left eye appears and disappears, then reappears. First Officer William Murdoch is seen trying to free one of the collapsible lifeboats after he has supposedly shot himself. After Jack and Rose take a shortcut through the engine room to escape Cal's manservant, there is no soot on Rose's pale blue gown. The size of shape of the clay pot Rose is making. The last watertight door that is shown is at first pale, suddenly it gets dark and it goes pale again when it closes In the scene with Jack and Rose having sex in the car, the pass-through window between the seats through which Rose pulls Jack is open when he goes through it, and then in the next shot is closed without ever seeing him close it. When Rose is searching for someone to help her when Jack is handcuffed, she punches a porter in the nose, but he has blood on his hand before he touches his nose. When Rose prepares to leap from the stern, the red sign warning that Titanic is a triple screw vessel is on the port side of the stern mast. When subsequently seen during the ship "over-flight", the sign is on the starboard side of the mast. The safe that was opened on deck was much bigger than the one shown being used eighty years earlier. When Jack is held prisoner in the Master-at-arms' office you can see from time to time in the background a two-berth room. The top berth is neatly kept but later on even though Jack is alone and handcuffed and Rose in the two occasions she comes into that office never enters that room you can see that there is a pillow lying across the bed's border. A small sign "crew only," helps Rose to find her way to free Jack from the handcuffs. It is located on the archway of the corridor, but it was not there when Jack and Rose had come at the same spot (the elevator's hall at E deck) a few hours before fleeing from Lovejoy. After Rose wakes in the water, ice is seen on Jack's upper lip; in the side angle it's not there. When Jack and Fabrizio are playing cards, a fairly deep sore is noticeable on Jack's left middle finger as he holds his cards. The sore is gone when Jack joins Rose in the first class dining room for dinner only a few days later (the sore looks too deep to have healed so quickly). When the smokestack is falling, the back of it comes out of the water. In the scene directly after, it is still coming out of the water. When the Titanic is in port, the sun appears to come from several different angles. Compare the following: The shadow of the crewman loading the car, the shadows of people walking up the gangplank, the shadow of the sun's rays in the steam, the shadows that Rose & family cast on the gangplank, and the sunlight on the yellow building when they first enter Titanic. When storming out of his room claiming to be robbed, parts of Cal's bangs are hanging in front of his face but when he turns around to see the steward his hair is tucked back smoothly. At the dinner scene and the party scene below decks that follows, Rose's gloves disappear, reappear then disappear again There is a small mole on Rose's face; when she boards the ship, it is shown on one side of her face (the film was flopped), and later in the movie it jumps to the other side. When they get Cal's safe on the deck of the Keldysh, a crewman starts to grind on the hinges. In the next scene, he is standing up, just preparing to kneel down and work on the safe. When Cal is looking for Rose on the Carpathia, you can see her standing in the background facing away from him without the blanket covering her head. In the very next shot, she is sitting down with the blanket covering her head. When Rose sets the ax between the bars as she takes off her coat, the ax blade rests against two metal bars to keep it from falling into the water. The next shot showing Rose from behind now shows the ax at a completely different angle with the blade positioned against only one metal bar. During Jack and Rose's trip on the deck to the bow right before the sinking, she is wearing flat shoes. In the water, laying on the furniture (as Jack hangs on) she is wearing high heels. After the "Lets stretch her legs" scene, we can see chief engineer Bell increasing steam pressure by turning the regulator counterclockwise. Later during the collision with the iceberg, we can see some worker decreasing pressure by starting to turn the regulator clockwise, yet in next shot he is turning the regulator counterclockwise still decreasing the pressure. Several shots later, after change to reverse, Bell is increasing pressure by turning the regulator clockwise. Paper money wad that First Officer Murdoch throws at Cal. In the flyover shot after the "King of the world" scene, the shadows on the ship's bow are directed to the right, yet in the same shot stern shadows are directed almost backwards. Steam occasionally coming off First Officer Murdoch's mouth as he is breathing during the collision with the iceberg. This appears in other scenes as well. When Jack and Fabrizio are standing at the bow Jack is holding his arm under the rope that goes up toward the look-out. In the next cut the arm is over and in the next again it's under. When Jack breaks down the third-class gate and frees the steerage passengers from the stairwell, you can see Tommy Ryan take Rose by the arm to get her over the fallen bench. In the next shot, he takes her arm again in the same place. Young Rose's shoes are clearly off in one wide shot as she stands on the railing of the ship. As they cut to her before she turns around, when you can see her entire body, you can clearly see in two shots her toes outlined by black nylons clutching the rail, and NOT her heels as seen previously in other shots before and afterward when she slips on her gown going back over the rail to safety. When Jack and Fabrizio first take to the bow of the ship, while dolphins are swimming along with it, they show them at the helm with the ship flying along but then on the close up of Jack looking down, his hair is stiff and unmoved, not a breath of wind, which would be impossible on a ship flying onward at sea in the afternoon. When Captain Smith orders, "Take her to sea, Mr. Murdoch -- let's stretch her legs," they are standing to the right of the wheelhouse looking forward with the sun coming from their left. When Murdoch walks into the wheelhouse to carry out the order, the sun is behind him. Jack takes Rose and Molly's arms to go into dinner. They start walking, but in the next shot they are still standing apart. The length of Rose's fingernails throughout the movie. The porthole in the master-at-arms' office is shown to be several feet below water, yet a later shot from inside the room shows the surface of the water visible inches above the porthole. The broken glass that the axe sits behind. Near the beginning of the movie, when Rose runs to the back of the ship, in one shot she is wearing a necklace and in the next it is gone. At the beginning when the yellowish lenses are used you see a woman waving with one arm. Later in the film when Titanic set off the same woman at the front of the boat is waving with the opposite arm. When Rose is on deck, with Jack, looking at his sketchings, the hair around her face alternates between perfect ringlets and wind-blown straight. When Rose "lets Jack go" into the water, just before his eyes go under, you can see his eye flinch, indicating that he's not really dead, and just acting. The water is shown to be coming above the clock twice: once when the water is heading toward the ceiling when Eric Braeden is coming up the stairs, and again after the first funnel lands on Fabrizio. The angle that the surface of the rising water has to the objects around should be nearly the same from scene to scene. Frequently one sees the ship already tipping at a high angle on the outside and in the cabins the surface of the water is still parallel to the ceiling. That could not happen while the ship remained rigid. As Rose and Cal begin their breakfast together on the promenade deck, Rose picks up her cup of coffee, then picks it up again when we see her from behind. Jack's hair when he is dancing with Rose below decks. When Jack is handcuffed to the pipe and Rose uses the ax to free him, one can see, especially in slow motion, that the ax hits the back of Jack's hand and not the handcuffs. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:09:05 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12517,from=rss#post12517https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12517,from=rss#post12517Anachronisms Rose has modern acrylic nails as she writes the note to Cal that accompanies the drawing. While the officers are searching the hold for Jack and Rose, they use a flashlight with pure white light, not the yellowish light from a normal flashlight. Such lights were not available at that time. When Jack is handcuffed to the steel pipes in the Master-At-Arms office, the pipe fittings are of welded steel construction. Electric arc welding was not used until the late 1920's. Pipes would have been flanged and threaded. The Afghan hound depicted during the movie was a beautiful specimen of today but quite different from one from the 1912 era - these dogs were very sparsely coated and much coarser in build - still uniquely beautiful but quite a contrast to today's Afghans. One of the men who is boarding a lifeboat is wearing a digital watch. Jack claims to have gone ice fishing on Lake Wissota, which wasn't created until five years after the Titanic sank. The pipe frames supporting the third class berths have set-screw speed rail fittings, not developed until 1946. A closeup of Captain Smith reveals that he is wearing contact lenses. The button on the left side of Jack's borrowed jacket is a "Kingsdrew" button, first made in 1922. The gauges in the engine room are fitted with sweated tubing fittings, a plumbing technique not available when the ship was constructed. The fittings should have been threaded brass. The gun Cal uses is in fact a model 1911A1, a modified version of the 1911 that didn't appear until 1926. The main distinguishing feature is its curved mainspring housing (bottom part of the grip), which on the 1911 is straight. Even if it were the standard 1911, that model had only been used by the military for a few months, and was not yet available in the nickel plating shown; the civilian version had only been available for about a month. Filtered cigarettes did not come out until the mid-40's. The world map on the wall of the radio room shows countries with present-day borders. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:56:57 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12516,from=rss#post12516https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12516,from=rss#post12516Okie dokie, some more: Audio/Visual Unsynchronized: When Rose and Jack are on the ship as it is going down vertically, Jack says "Hold on!" about a second before his lips move. While on deck, Jack asks, "Do you love the guy or not?" The shot changes to show Rose's reaction. Jack's jaw can be seen moving, as if he's asking the same question again, but he's not heard. When Jack is at the bow and the dolphins are about to jump, he says "Look, look it's going to jump" about 15 seconds before it actaully jumps. Although I'm not sure if this counts...maybe a dolphin jumped before he said that and so he noticed another one was going to jump? Boom Mike Visible: When old Rose is seated in her stateroom aboard the salvage ship with Lizzy her granddaughter and he comes in to ask if her stateroom's all right and if there's anything she'd like. She replies, "Yes, I'd like to see my drawing," and behind her on the wall you can see the large banana shaped shadow of the boom dip down for her line and up again. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 22:55:46 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12515,from=rss#post12515https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12515,from=rss#post12515Great! Cant wait to see some more of your posts in here!nondisclosed_email@example.com (titanicangel06)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 21:11:31 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12514,from=rss#post12514https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12514,from=rss#post12514Got more where those came from. That's just the Factual errors. I've got Continuity, crew/camera equipment visual, Geography errors, Anachronisms, Audio/Visual Unsynchronized, Boom Mike Visable, revealing mistakes and Things Incorrectly Regared as Goofs. Also have a whole list of trivia as well..lol nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 20:01:07 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12513,from=rss#post12513https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12513,from=rss#post12513Well spotted Rosie1912 I second what TA said. I will print it out to have it handy when I next watch the movie!! However I can comment on the last point only: quote:In the end, when they are coming back to pick up survivors, it echoes when they call out, "Is there anyone alive out there?" What are the sound waves bouncing off, icebergs? I guess JC presented these echoes as Rose supposedly was hearing them, for she was in a sort of a "coma" and was regaining her consciousness. This is what I think!!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Titanica)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:34:16 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12512,from=rss#post12512https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12512,from=rss#post12512Hi I did not like the film to start with, but now I will look on it as something totaly different. In fact it is nearly making me get the film out and watching it. I did say nearly Great list though Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:24:28 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12511,from=rss#post12511https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12511,from=rss#post12511woah, now i haveto watch the movie again with a copy of that at hand, because i knew there were a few but not quite that bad...thankyou very much for your post!nondisclosed_email@example.com (titanicangel06)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:07:41 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12510,from=rss#post12510https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12510,from=rss#post12510I've got tons of Cameron goofs..I'll do the historical errors now: Have fun! A favorite..considering it is pretty well known one would think Cameron coulda gotten it right. Margaret Brown was never refered to as "Molly" until after her death. While Old Rose's references are acceptable, since she'd be using the form the modern crew knew, Astor also calls her "Molly" as she is coming to dinner. The Titanic's middle propeller was not used for maneuvering in port, and hence would have been stationary when starting away from the dock. The reciprocating engines were controlled from a platform between the two engines about midway between the floor and the top of the cylinders, not from the engine room floor. Even if the engines were controlled from the floor level the controls would have been at the opposite end of the engines since we are looking at the aft end of the engines, and the boiler rooms are forward of the reciprocating engine room. Also, it would have been quite impossible to see those engines from the vantage point we are given since the watertight bulkhead between the reciprocating engine room and turbine engine room would prevent us from being able to stand back far enough. In overhead shots of the forecastle deck, the skylight for the crew's galley can be seen located to starboard. This skylight was actually on the port side. The main characters have lunch in the Palm Court/Verandah on A Deck. These were not used for dining, although passengers could order tea or a small snack. Cal orders lamb with mint sauce for himself and Rose. Lamb was only available for dinner on the ship, while mutton was reserved for lunch. The lamb was prepared in the D-Deck galley and would not have been served in the Palm Court. During the scene when Rose "flies" from the ship's bow, the sunlight is clearly falling almost exactly straight across the ship from left to right. On the evening of April 14, the ship had in fact turned to almost a due west course, placing the actual setting sun almost straight ahead and slightly to the right. The hands sketching Rose are clearly too old to belong to Jack. (They actually belong to director 'James Cameron' .) After the spitting scene, the characters are called to dinner by a boy blowing a bugle. "Molly" Brown makes a comment about how unflattering it is. In fact, the White Star Line considered the bugle to be too "German" and the page would have used a small xylophone-like instrument. Workers in the Titanic's engine room had to wear thick protective clothing to shield them from the heat generated by the engines. (Another correspondent claims that such clothing was not available, though that seems unlikely.) The lighting in the sinking sequence is wrong. The Titanic sunk on a moonless night so it would have been nearly pitch black after the ship's lights went out. As the Red Funnel Line tugs pull the ship in Southampton, the ship's name is visible on the starboard, but not port, sides. (It should be on both.) When the radio operator sends out the "CQD" message, the pattern of dots and dashes he makes with the key is not intelligible Morse code. Professional radio operators hold the key with the thumb and two fingers, rather than tapping on it as shown. Tapping would produce a bad "fist" (the Morse code equivalent of a harsh voice). When Captain Smith enters the wheelhouse, the ship's telegraph is set to "Full Reverse" instead of "All Stop." Jack is supposedly held prisoner in the Master-at-Arms' office, which is depicted as having a porthole. On the Titanic, this room was an interior room and hence would have no portholes. There was no door between boiler room 6 and the cargo area (and no access to any but authorized crew). If there had been a door, it would have entered the third cargo area aft, not the one where the Renault was stored. The crew of lifeboat #14 didn't have flashlights to use when looking for survivors in the water. Cameron knew this when making the film, but used the flashlights to provide lighting. The six people pulled from the water by Officer Lowe's boat were all men. (However, there was one woman who was taken off of the overturned collapsible that Lightoller was on.) Thomas Andrews never put on a life vest. Passengers were not allowed at the forecastle head, or bow. The sign that declared "Passengers Not Allowed Beyond This Point" was mounted on the leeward side of the forward breakwater (both port and starboard), and was missing in the film. There was no suction when the stern sank. Chief Baker Charles Joughin rode the stern all the way down. He stepped off as it submerged without even getting his head wet. The parlor suite occupied by Rose, Ruth, and Cal in the film (B52, B54, B56) was in reality occupied by J. Bruce Ismay himself. John Jacob Astor is last shown inside the ship when it sank. This is inaccurate becuase his body was crushed by the first smokestack. His body was identified by the initials sewn on the lapel of his jacket. The Statue of Liberty is shown in green in 1912. The Statue of Liberty is made out of copper. It took nearly 70 years after 1876 to become green because of the salt in the air. The lights are shown going off before the ship broke in half. The lights did not go out until it broke in half. When the Titanic is leaving, the newsreel cameraman is cranking the camera left-handed; hand-cranked cameras are all right-handed, but the scene was filmed mirror image and reversed. The coat worn by Captain Smith had plain anchor buttons; the actual tunics had "White Star Line" buttons. Fabrizio's and Jack's room on G-Deck starts to flood soon after the iceberg hits. However, plans of the Titanic show that there were no third-class rooms at the bow on that deck, only at the stern. There were "open berths" at the bow end. In several scenes when the ship's officers are outdoors on the cold night of the sinking, the rank insignia has the executive curl (the semi-circle atop one or more stripes indicating the rank) going astern (the wrong way), this would result in great embarrassment for the officers involved. A flare is shown to be fired before the first lifeboat is lowered. In fact, a person who brought the flares to the wheelhouse was Quartermaster Rowe. At the time of the collision he was on duty on the ship's stern and he remained there until he spotted the first lowered boat on the surface. Only then he was told via a phone from the 4th Officer Boxhall to bring the flares to the wheelhouse and to fire them. The Titanic is shown to be at Southampton docks in brilliant sunshine. Yet, photographs from the actual event seem to show the sky overcast. Captain Smith announces that he has ordered the last remaining unlit boilers lit. Actually only 24 of the 29 boilers were ever lit. The full-speed test (all boilers lit) was to have taken place on Monday, the 15th. When Titanic left port it pulled the docks towards the ship so tugboats had to pull the dock back. This was because of the power and how it was moving. In the movie they don't show the docks doing that and they don't show tugboats holding them from the front view. First Officer Murdoch is shown lowering Collapsible C lifeboat (the one with Ismay in it). It was actually Chief Officer Wilde who lowered this boat. In the end, when they are coming back to pick up survivors, it echoes when they call out, "Is there anyone alive out there?" What are the sound waves bouncing off, icebergs? nondisclosed_email@example.com (Rosie1912)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:57:07 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12509,from=rss#post12509https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12509,from=rss#post12509Navynuke...yippy, spot on.. I wish I had bought a lottory ticket today!! I could have guessed the numbers!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Titanica)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:55:21 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12508,from=rss#post12508https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12508,from=rss#post12508titanica: correctomundo! How'd ya guess? I am a steam plant operator on board a nuke carrier, atleast for the next 6 months left of my sea rotation hopefully after i will be going back to power school as an instructor well we are keeping our fingers crossed for it... Graham, nice to finally talk to you, and as faras my job, sure why not!nondisclosed_email@example.com (navynuke01)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:52:07 +0000 Re: cameron movie nit picks...you got em i knowhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12507,from=rss#post12507https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p12507,from=rss#post12507hI navynuke Welcome and it is a plesure to meet you at last. Dont supose you want to switch jobs at all do you? Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 08 Apr 2004 15:37:12 +0000