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the idea of looters for the titanci wreck and for the 9/11 attacks . it really makes my skin crawl. to think that people are sifting through the rubble and the wreckage for suviners . that is wrong in so many ways i can not even begin to say .
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graham 01
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Hi Wills
I agree with you one hundred percent it is wrong, but unfortunatly we all know it happens. There is now stiff laws for it when it does happen but theyare clever and quick.
Airline disaters are the worst for it, There is more people trying to gain from them with loted material that enough. Grave robbers etc. A horrible side to society but yes it does occur and we know it does. And it is awfull to think there is low life who would do it.
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Well, as I said, going ahead and yelling at the eople who do it now is different than when they did it in 1912 - there's a different delicacy about such things. And now there are laws against it - then, it was SOP. It's kind of unfair to judge 1912 people by 2004 rules.
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graham 01
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Hi TTf
I do see where you are coming from but it still does not make it right in a way. Apart from what type of morbid person wants a life jacket that was cut of a dead body hanging in there home??
When you think about it rape and pillage was legal and accepted not that long ago but we dont concider it good today. Isnt it sort of the same theory?
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Well, I wouldn't want it - someone died in that jacket - but I know lots of people with antique beds who sleep in them, so what do I know?
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graham 01
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HI TTf
Yes I supose when looked at from the point of view of a antique bed been slept in it sort of puts a different perspective on things, But they do not usually die in a accident in a bed. To have jacket cut off them and labels cut out then sold well sorry but that is a bit morbid in my book.
But then again I am against any of the items been braught up, And I dont mind admitting it.
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A lot of people have died in beds - in this one in particular, like George Washington's neice (that's why they bought the thing) - and it doesn't bother people. It does bother me that this jacket - and a lot of other stuff like it - is around, but on the other hand, as a pragmatist, they do exist and therefore must be dealt with.
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Hi TTf
I agree a bed is a bed, And yes people do die in them, we or most of us have spent time in a hospital at some point of our life, and lets face it I doubt there is a bed there that has not had a body in it or many dead bodies in it. But we do not auction it of as a asset telling people it was cut of a body.
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Now there you have a point - and the life jacket they had was the same thing - the straps supposedly cut to free a body. Ugh - not in my house, thank you very much!
But I could see it in a museum.
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One of the most coveted objects (not by me) I have ever seen was a German Iron Cross medal--the kind worn at the throat--that has a bullet hole through it that bent it all to hell. It belonged to a German general who was hit in the throat at Normandy. His staff was standing with him and said blood and the medal flew in the air almost fifty feet! naturally he didn't survive...but the medal was picked up and has been in various collections ever since. And has even been pictured on the cover of a well known medal reference book.
Face it; many people like that kind of stuff. Simple as that. There are just plain different ways of looking at things.
On the note of 9/11; as you all know I am a museum conservator. Not too awful long after 'that day' a question went out to many objects conservators for opinion--I was one of them.
It seemed that the clean-up people found an American flag that had been hanging in one of the WTC offices. It was splattered (ugh) and of course torn, shredded, and filthy as you might expect. The question was, should it be preserved (and cleaning would be part of the preservation process) or should it be destroyed...or should it be left just as it is, with the stains, as a memorial to be exhibited--some day.
The response was overwhelming to leave it stained as is.....
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