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Was there panic on the night of sinking


Hi All

On other boards a lot has been said about the breakdown of the ranks on board Titanic the night of the disaster.

Some say the crew and officers and even Smith panicked! Could this of been true.

When you read the inquiry statements which I did yesterday well some of them as you know the whole thing is a long debate in itself. I don't see much evidence of any panic. But it depends how we use the word "Panic". Today we use it very easy to mean to throw ones self in disorder. fluster ones self, or unsure and make rash decisions. The true meaning of the word is uncontrollable state of confusion, Mass hysteria etc. I can and will put the oxford dictionary definition up if any one wants me to and probably will later.

But lets look at it in a general form and not literally, I myself do use the panic out of context. I assume someone to panic if he she makes a decision without thinking of the consequence and in a hurry. This sometimes is the correct thing and other times the wrong thing. So on the bridge and decks of the titanic that night in either way you look at it there must of been panic. The ship is foundering, lives are going to be lost. Crew and officers, captain and builders know the true fate ahead. Most of the passengers have been on ships before and know the dangers. So how did panic reflect on the ability of the crew and officers to do there job. Hopefully not a lot as they are professional sailors. they work on ships all day and know and have been trained in emergency procedures. Like the service of today they face emergencies all day and are trained to react, but if someone has a gun pointed at them for a instant they panic. Adrenalin cuts in and they work to a script. Same in my theory of the officers and crew.

What is your theory ? I can expand a lot on mine but I will wait and see what comes back first.

Sorry if the above is a bit jumbled but having to work fast this morning and I am unable to give this a lot of thought as I type. I will go into the in depth reason why we panic or why they would of if you like and use my professional reason's for this as well.

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Hi Graham,

If what was seen (or told) in JC movie "Titanic" was true or partly true, then there must have been a widespread panic on the night of the sinking!! I think, from what I saw (still I mean from the movie), the 3rd class passengers (and maybe the 2nd class too!) are who suffered more panic, since they were locked in and were not allowed to come out so that the 1st class passengers get into life boats. Although, the movie (as was told by JC) showed that even 1st class passengers did panic.

I must add here that one of my favourite parts of the movie, is when Jack and Rose break that door to come up to the upper deck and a steward saw them and said: "Hey, you two are going to pay for that you know!", that must have been some sort of panicking, or being in denial, or being fooled by an officer and was told that there is no immediate danger!!!!

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Hi Titanica

First and I am not putting you down or arguing, But I would not read too much into the movie. It was as stated a movie and that is all. But you come up with a very valid point, Third class and others where kept away from the area all the time till first class had escaped. Well women and children and some men folk anyhow. There was also a selection of crew still locked up. The whole Italian waiters and restaurant staff, Who I know before all jump where not employed by WSL but I still loosely say crew.

Colonel Gracie said in his statement when he and Smith moved up decks they where amazed to see women and children follow as he thought they had all left the ship. This in itself is a form of panic as he would now realise that not only was men going to have to fight for life but also (excuse my word here) The weaker sex and children. His heart must of skipped a beat. ( a form of panic) Maybe controlled panic and this is different but panic.

People jumped from the boat into ice filled water, surely this is panic to get away from a disaster. remember 9/11 we saw people jump out of buildings afire from top floor not rational decision same here.

Have to admit though it would not surprise me if terms like "you will pay for that" did not come out as it is there job to say such tings and this comes naturally to them, again though this is in the movie and not true.

What you say though and in context is that you also believe there was panic,

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Yes Graham, I think there was widespread panic on all parts of the ship. If I were there that night...I know I would have! emoticon Let's see what others say?

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Hi Titanica

Now that is what I mean, You are a rational person not prone to panic, But it is in what context of the word one uses the word.

I honestly think there would of been panic of some sort not at first as everyone was kept from the truth but when the bow started to go down I feel sure panic would set in.

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ok everyone here is my two cents.

describe panic.... you can't really because the situation and word means different things to every single person .
i believe that everyone in their own way paniced that night. however it is very hard to say for sure. this question has been debated several times. i think we would all like to think that everyone died calmly that night..... however i also think we all know better. again it all depends on that individual.
i believe that at the end people really were scared perhaps too scared to even think to be paniced.
more on this as i think ....lol.
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hi Wills

I do agree the word panic has several different meanings, It is also expressed different in many dictionaries.

If you take the stance of panic been unrash decition then yes I believe there was panic

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hi graham,
i too believe there was panic that night.
however ,
how the people showed their panic that night was a different matter.
i imagine they started to flee at the end.
but like i said you never know how anyone may seem to handle those kind of situations.

more as it comes to me lol.
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hi Wills

I have to agree with you it is how a person handles panic that is the main factor in any situation. try walking into a large shopping centre or mall as you have and stand in the middle shouting fire. Some will react in a strange way. Others will dismiss it till they see proof, and you will probably get arrested:-)

The main way the passengers where protected that night was by not saying sinking. This way the people could act rationally. But there again in my estimation most of the crew would know they where doomed. At the end all would know as the ship is plunging in a downward motion towards the sea bed. Water rising high up at the front and no means for escape left. People start to jump in icy water. This is not just self preservation but now panic on some. Others it is said sat in the smoke room smoking or drinking, even finishing there game of cards. Strange thing panic.

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yes i agree graham,
that is true . i think that people can express their selves in many different ways and forms.

just like your facial expressions say things that even if you are not trying tend to show. i know this from personl experience.
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