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HI Lights

I tend to believe what you say is one of the cases. As for what we would do. I am not sure any of us now would go down with the ship. Society has altered so much self preservation is still in built and we tend to use it more and more.

Lets say for instance, You where Ismays wife. Would you call him a coward or hero should he have stayed with the ship. Would the people who lost loved ones on the ship call there husband who stayed behind a hero? Not many did in fact.

How many people had a bad life after loosing loved ones who could of got away quite easy?

Who has the right to say who lives and dies? Sorry but I am lets say rather in the middle on who should of died and who should of escaped. Yes I do have my thaughts regarding Ismay and most people here know them. I can go into long posts and arguments if people want me to.

as for me I would like to think I would stay put till the last person is off but in reality would I.

I know of one person on tis board who's husband is at sea for his job. HOw would she feel if he stayed on board if the ship was sinking till last? How would any of us feel if our loved ones stayed till last or did not get off through been a hero. I should not use that word realy but.

I takes a lot of sole searching but look for it and try to answer honestly not instinctly.

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i really think that we are not in the place to pick and choose who should have stayed and who should have lived.

i would have not wanted anyone to die ..

and i hope that nobody here or anywhere will never have to go through what those people did that night.

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Hi Wills

It has also to be remebered that in the days of the great ships, it was a raffle ticket as to weather or not the ship actually made it, By titanic times it was safer, But the crew and officers and owners did not want loss of life. It went against them in the long run. The shipping company got less passengers as they classed them as unsafe ships. The crew had black marks against them for loss of life on there ship, The Captain was sacked on the loss of a vessel.

I too hope non of us ever have to go through something as bad or near bad as this but who knows fate is just round the corner.

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very true graham very true.

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And of course it also has to be remebered that in modern day ships there may be seats for all but in most cases only 50% of boats can be launched. In reality less seats than on Titanic if you concider the ship was not full

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i know sad reality isnt it.

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quote:

The shipping company got less passengers as they classed them as unsafe ships.



Not quite - there was no other way across the Atlantic, you had only one possible choice. However, as shipping became more reliable, the traffic increased as the public's belief in the reliability increased, so that you had people travelling more often for buisnesss, and pleasure, as well as a lessening of the fears for immigrants.
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Even today, with all the safety regulations, etc. in the long run, it is still a crap shoot as to whether the ship will come in...ships still disappear for no known reason (one source ways it's something like fifteen ships a year)...and in spite of all the advances of the shipbuilding industry, ships still sink...

As Graham points out, even with "boats for all", in many situation only fifty percent of them are going to prove launchable...but even with all that, your chances of coming out of a ship sinking are a lot better than your chances in an airplane crash....and remember, most people involved in those think they're going to be perfectly fine...dunno, gang...for me a ship is STILL the only way to cross...and if FINAL CROSSING ever gets published, I am going to make the crossing probably on a Cunarder emoticon hey I'm a White Star lass to the end...oh yeah, they're out of business...Cunard will be the closest I can get...) IN WINTER!

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i know it is a crying shame wsl isnt around anymore they produced beautifull liners.

liners with class for all styles and preferences.


oh yes and let's not forget they had the best officers as well..

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Oh, Will, please don't even get me started on modern liners!! Those shipmates from TDTSC who were also over at T-T know what I think of them...I'm sorry, maybe the exigencies of the cruise trade these days demand the sorts of ships being turned out...but give me a "babe" like one of the "Olympics", Oceanic, or even the original QM...now THose Ladies were major Babes and ships!!!! (Pant! Pant!!)

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