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There have been many famous shipwrecks where the crews beat the passengers to the boats and then stranded them. That was one of the reasons behind lifeboat assignments - everyone has their assigned place.
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Hi Wills and TTF

I agree with you on all points, I watched a tv programme this morning on technology and the titanic. seen as I am grounded for a few days now.

In it they braught the subject up of Andrews. Now when the damage controll pointed out the water was hurtling down the firemans ally, Andrews must of known the ship was doomed. I know he told Smith and Ismay this but he must of known right from the start all he needed to do was work out how long it would stay afloat. The reason he knew was because the firemans ally was three compartments away from the hull, the iceburg he knew did not go that far in, so the only explination was the hull was letting in water from bottom up. No way of stoping it the ship is going down.

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i believe as well graham that he knew from the very beginning that titanic was doomed.

it must have been very hard for him to accept. i know for me it would have been if i had built her.

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Hi Wills

I would imagine one of the first thoughts that went through his head when he knew water was flushing down there was "why did I not ..." He must of had many inspiring thoughts that he could of done this that and the other, But bet if he had survived a lot of difference would of been made to future ships.

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Yeah, I had always wished Andrews had survived--he would have been far more valuable alive than the 'gesture' he made of going down with 'his' ship.
Actually I think he was in shock--real clinical shock, and was not functioning as well as he might have been. Heaven knows I sure would have been the same way. Can you imagine what the man was feeling?
But that being said, he was perhaps the best man to have understood the most completely just what was going on with the ship...and what could be done in the future to rectify future situations. He would have been a great asset to future ship design.
It was too bad.
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Hi 7th

I agree with you he was the only one at the time that knew what was going to happen 100%

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That tale hit me with a jolt when I was an interview done with Leslie Robertson on the NOVA Broadcast "Why the Towers Fell" - he was the main engineer on the Towers, and his office faces towards them (although I understand he's moved his desk so he no longer sees the area when he's in there, and I can't blame him). The look in his eyes when he talks about what he did wrong (c'mon, guy it wasn't you flying those planes!) - had Andrews survived, he would have gone through that every day for the rest of his life.

I think this end was much more merciful.
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Hi TTF

When you look at it that way I guess you may be right.

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you are very much right ttf.
when you put the point that way it does make it seem clearer as to why andrews chose to die.

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I, too, think that Andrews knew the score before he went down to see for himself...I can only imagine the anguish he must have felt those last couple of hours of his life...actually, no, I cannot...it is one of those things known only to those who experience it.

I believe he would have been better to survive and to explain what went wrong at the subsequent inquiries, but I honestly believe his sense of honour and responsibility demanded that he not attempt to save himself, but instead to go down with the ship. A splendid gesture, but only that--a gesture. Still, I suppose it is refreshing to remember in this age of avid buck-passing, that once poeple did take responsibility when something went wrong...

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