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Cover up’s

A lot was said about the “white wash” at the titanic enquiries and in the press afterwards. It was later said many times that Fleet the lookout on titanic, and the person who rung the “three bells” and “phoned” down to the bridge speaking to Mr Moody had been warned of from telling the truth at the inquiries. Later it was stated that he told a friend that he was paid well for this action. His part in this is thought to be the fact that 3 previous ice warnings where sent to the bridge before the main one. Hichens the quartermaster on duty that night was said to of been bribed as well, This would stand to reason as he was one of only three more people who would of known about the previous warnings.

Regardless what you think of cover up’s I will show you that cover up’s did indeed happen within the WSL and probably other lines as well.

This example I am going to use is wrote by Mr George Behe in his book Titanic-safety speed and sacrifice, page 69. It concerns the sister ship Olympic. The time 10pm, the date June, the year 1912. Chilling, as it is this occurred just seven weeks after the titanic accident?

“At 10pm on June evening in 1912, a mere seven weeks after the loss of the titanic the Olympic found herself inbound towards the English channel and home. Visibility was fair despite a persistent haze. And Olympics speed remained undiminished as her officers drove her through the last leg of her transatlantic crossing.

Suddenly the Olympics lookout saw broken water directly ahead of the ship and the vessels engines where run full speed astern in an attempt to stop her as quickly as possible. Fortunately the Olympic succeeded in loosing way and narrowly avoiding running directly into the cliffs north of Land’s End. Her officers soon realized that the great vassal had strayed many miles north of the course she was supposed to be following on her journey homeward.”

So how was this reported, simple it wasn’t. According to Mr Behe author and titanic historian.

“When Olympic arrived safely in Southampton the following morning Capt Benjamin Steel (The White Star Lines marine superintendent at Southampton) was horrified when he learned of the close call to the sister ship of the Titanic. Steel informed the Olympics Capt Haddock that he was duty bound to report this serious incident to the chairman of the White Star Line, Who thereupon instituted a internal inquiry (In which Capt Steel participated) The end result of the inquiry was that the Olympic Capt Haddock was forced to admit to the navigational error which had resulted n his vessel near destruction.”

So where is the cover up? Well the public never did hear about this and it is assumed this is the only reason Haddock still had a job. WSL would not want to loose another Captain as they where hard to find. Plus if they dismissed him the public would certainly hear of the incident, as they knew the Captains of steam ships well. And a sudden disappearance would warrant questions. Haddock of course was monitored on following passages and subsequently left WSL employ.




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Well, you can't really blame White Star - the last thing they wanted was to find another of their ships and captains in question, so soon after Titanic - it could well have spelled the death of the company! And didn't pilots and captains back then have something similar to the IFALPA, where something like this would have been disscussed professionally, if not out in the center of attention? Good call by the lookouts and whoeer was on the bridge, though - sounds like they actually had done some training up there in the meantime.
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i had not heard of that one.

however if white star line wanted to get rid of haddock they would have no matter what the cost..

he was a good captain to say the least. mistakes can happen at sea as well as on land.

afterall that is what makes us human.

as far as hichens is concerned didnt they move him to the southern tip of africa to keep him quiet.. well i really can not agree with the fact that he was paid off because i really do not think that he was considered a reliable source to begin with anyway.

more on this later.

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hi Wills

Hichens was not sent of anywhere by WSL, It was a story put out by Don Lynch which got well in the public domain. He reconed he had a letter from a Mr Bloomfield ( May be incorect spelling) Then Senan Malone proved it to be false.

Hichens is not what he was made out to be either will go into this more in another thread.

As for cover ups, well I wish I could say more but at the moment I cannot but I can post more of WSL Cover ups in history, some would of broke them before Titanic as well.

TTf

Yes they did and they needed it too.

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thanks graham,
that would explain it then why i had heard that.

i read it in one of his books.

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Hi Wills

No problem as for Hichens, guess who my second favourite person is after the Ismay?
Yep got it in one

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may i ask why hichens?

i know now i have done it .....

the one thing that bothers me about ismay is that he did not defend any of his senior officers... unless there is somethingi have been missing.

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Hi Wills

Hichens was and still is a fav of mine in a way for research, I never believed him to be the person he was portraid and after speeking to his relatives and doing the research found him totaly different, Way before another person witheld a lot of information.

Now on Ismay, Well I am not sure now and this goes against the grain for me, I have been sent some rather interesting info and when I sort it out I will get permition to share it a bit, But it seems company policy was not all it was made out to be.

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Hi All

On the above I do not intend to discredit anythng I have ever said On Ismay but the company now that may be a different story

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that would be great graham.
i hope they will let you share information.
that seems rather interesting.

nothing wrong with hearing all sides of the story. as a matter of fact i would rather do that..

this is the main reason i said that was to see if anyone else had any info on that side of the story.
i know that ismay liked smith wilde and murdoch a lot and had unshakablie confidence in them and for him not to say anything in the end was rather unnerving to say the least

again i am not knocking ismay as i find him wrongly accused and his side of the story is very rarley told in full as a mater of fact i have yet to hear the entire story..

i am just wandering as to why he did not defend some of his favrourite officers and better officers..will in particular[however you knew that was comming didnt you?] emoticon

anyway please let me what you find out even if it is in email form. it will be safe promise.

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