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Re: Spirits/Ghosts


HI Tammy

I am sure he will not leave you, most spirits once they have settled down in a place tend to stay there unless the person ups sticks and moves, then in most cases they follow with them as they are classed a as family member.

You are very honoured to be allowed in the sights of a spirit, It is not a rare thing but unusual. I am not saying you did not at all and please do not take it that way as it is not meant that way. A spirit usually when first visiting someone tends to go alone and reunite with past times, In your case He must of decided that you are his closest person so shall travel with him.

It must of been a great experience to stand there on a old ship and enjoy the magic that comes with it.

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Graham 01 wrote:

HI Tammy

I am sure he will not leave you, most spirits once they have settled down in a place tend to stay there unless the person ups sticks and moves, then in most cases they follow with them as they are classed a as family member.



I know he won't, because he is an honorable man who is true to his word. Plus our deep love for each other has a lot to do with it too. Since I am his PL wife, that certainly classifies us as fellow family members.

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You are very honoured to be allowed in the sights of a spirit, It is not a rare thing but unusual. I am not saying you did not at all and please do not take it that way as it is not meant that way. A spirit usually when first visiting someone tends to go alone and reunite with past times, In your case He must of decided that you are his closest person so shall travel with him.



He did this, because he witnessed me emotionally reacting to the news of the true nature of his death...and just how much it effected me. It was his loving way of allowing me, his wife, to share his death with me, as if he were putting a closure on it...for he felt that truth would set him free, as the saying goes. I told him earlier, that it is the not knowing the truth of how he actually died, that hurts the most, and that a wife has every right to know. I am also strong enough to take it as well. That's why he also felt the need of having me see how he died via that dream.

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It must of been a great experience to stand there on a old ship and enjoy the magic that comes with it.

Graham



It is indeed, a great experience to stand there on an old ship, smelling the salty sea air, and enjoying the magic that comes with it. For through Will, I was able to enjoy that dream...and I didn't want it to end, either.



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It is like Lights' suggested, had something to do with what happened in his early childhood that fed his insecurities, that caused him to take refuge inside me...hence his Mommie syndrom.





uh tammy,
what in the world are you talking about?
what happened to will in his early childhood that would have fed him insecurities.

just curious is all.

wills

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It is like Lights' suggested, had something to do with what happened in his early childhood that fed his insecurities, that caused him to take refuge inside me...hence his Mommie syndrom.





uh tammy,
what in the world are you talking about?
what happened to will in his early childhood that would have fed him insecurities.

just curious is all.

wills



Will was verbally abused both as a child, as well as an adult by his father. The latter abuse can be read about in "WMM: A Career At Sea" when he served under his father aboard his Iquique barque.




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where in the world did you hear that from . william is his favourite and always has been . how in the world can you come to that conclusion.

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Was Will now his favorite? Maybe so, but he still was verbally abused by his father just the same. If you read between the lines that went on aboard the Iquique, you will find that he couldn't please his father no matter how hard he tried. Plus he was under such severe pressure by his father, to become Captain of his own ship. Good, was never good enough for Daddy Samuel...my Will had to be better, and so it goes on and on.

Also read the last letter in "WMM: ACAS", he wrote his sister, my sister-in-law, Peg. There, his insecurities regarding his father even evident there as well. And that's why my Will perfers to stay inside me where he'll be safe and secure...where no one will hurt him.

It is only recently that he feels secure enough to exist outside of me. Isn't it, Darling?

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hello tammy,

first off thanks for clearing your previous post up for me .for i was confused about it.

also i would like to say a few things and this is not meant in any way badly. i just have to make sure of something.

this is a very touchy subject with me .unless you have actuall proof of the verbal abuse actually happening.i dont think it wise to say it epsecially on a public board.for all to see.. for the reason it may offend family members or friends and that can cause problems.
 so i am going to try to say this as nice as possible. i am not one sided on this and im not saying that it didnt or did happen, however those are serious allegations and solid proof should back it;
also on a more personal note tammy.
you are aware that those are mostly ms.stormer's observations. i dont believe that she was intending for it to be read in such a way as that you haveread it.
i dont believe that samuel was abusive in any way to any of his children.nothing out of the ordinary for any parent.

show me a parent who has not at some point yelled at their kids or gave them a good whippin. i have yet to see it myself.

i believe murdoch and his family has problem just like everyone else. he ruled his family very much he was disiplined and expected the same from his youngsters.a lot can be said about those days .dont you think this is one time you are quite possibly reading more into ms stormers words then are actually there. i know that a while ago you were thinking that she was saying will and aid slept in seperate beds in differnt rooms and now your claiming to be aid. and you speak of how loving he is to you . perhaps you read more into the expression then was there. at that time as well. i say this as only an example. anyway . i am curious as to how you come about an idea like that ....besides will living inside you ...where else have you gotten this from...perhaps his nephew or another relative.
this is very curious that this would be brought up .


oh yes and as far as nothing was good enough well what parent doesnt want to push their children to reach their goals and do more then their very best. it is only natural for a parent to wat the best for their children.


wills



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Hi Wills And Tammy

Ok folks this is a great debate in all reality, And due to the nature of the subject I am unable to move it into the Murdoch area, Which technicaly is where it does belong, but.

I agree with what Wills is saying here Tammy, It is good to read between the lines as this gives us a better insight into what the wrighter is actually saying or trying to say. But one has to remeber the time you talk of is aboard a ship, a sailing ship at that where life and death is paramount to the captain.

William was serving under his Father and as such was treat the same as any other sailor aboard. The captain cannot have favorites aboard in such rthat he would "bark" orders, and disciplin his men in the same way. So i order to keep his Captain job at the supreem he has also to do the same to his son. Or others would look on it as favouritism. His stature would drop incredibly.

I think you will find it is only this that is the forefrount of that statment.

I have to admit I find it hard to believe that Samual would verbually abuse his son, but it also has to be looked at what the readers interpritation of verba abuse is. we all have different levels for this.

Stormers accounts, while some are very good others have a lot to be desired.

But this is a exelent debate and hope to see it carried out in a way it has been conducted in at the moment.

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I first learned of the VB Will sustained from his father, from Lights (CH Lightoller's reincarnated self) months ago. For he knew Will best, for they were both close friends and best shipmates. He told me that his sons called my husband, Uncle Will, and me, Aunt Ada If anyone can best iterate on this further, she can when she gets back this weekend.

Will whispered to me only just other the other night, that he had been VBed by his father, backing up what Lights had told me.

Lights has told me other notso pleasant things that have happened to my Will...for I ask him, 'Is this true? Or, is this false?' for which he answers me, 'Yes or no'...or, his answers are late in coming, but my questions get answered in time.

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well first chance i get im gonna email ms stormer and find out what she thinks about it... maybe it is a missunderstanding somewhere.

i really doubt captain murdoch v/b [or any other abuses ] any of his family or children.

wills

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