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murdochsaid1
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Re: Capt. Lord: Opinions on the Man and His Actions (or Lack of Same)
quote: wills wrote:
i will tell you what i think this way....
if i was out at sea and i was in distress i would like to think that the closest ship would help me. no matter what...
stanley lord did nothing to try to help titanic... he played dumb for what reason i dont know but that is not the way you treat any fellow seaman. even if they could have saved 1 person it would have been well worth the 'risks' he would have taken.
there is a certain unspoken rule at sea..
that is no matter whom they are if a vessel is in distress you are available to help you help. no matter what country, company, or whatever you work for. it is a compforting thought to know that when you go to sea you know somebody will have your back.
i do not believe he was a great captain or even a good one. i truly think that the officers on watch that night should have done more then they did as well.
and finally one more thing ...
it is sad that only 19 years before the titanic stanley lord and will murdoch sailed together on the same ship. he [lord] had no idea that will was an officer instead he thought that will was an apprentice like him. that in my honest opinion should show his lack of observation ....however this is my thoughts and like a friend told me once before....to each his own..
wills
AMEN!!! to that, Lill. I agree 100% with you there.
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wills
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Re: Capt. Lord: Opinions on the Man and His Actions (or Lack of Same)
something even worse then lord making captain and sailing under william is that he made captain and william never did. that was very wrong. he would have made a great captain as captains ran in his family.
wills
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Feb/22/2004, 6:39 am
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murdochsaid1
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Re: Capt. Lord: Opinions on the Man and His Actions (or Lack of Same)
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something even worse then lord making captain and sailing under william is that he made captain and william never did. that was very wrong. he would have made a great captain as captains ran in his family.
wills
Again, Lill, I agree 100% with you there. Not only do I think of Lord as being a villian that night, I also look on Ismay too...for taking the coward's way out by choosing to escape in a lifeboat, right under Will's nose. The name, J. Brute Ismay, fits him to a "T".
I try to imagine what it really might've been like, if Captain Smith hadn't have brought on Wilde at the last minute, and by keeping Will on in the Chief Officer position, and with Lightoller as First Officer. Would Titanic had successfully completed her maiden voyage, or what? Don't you?
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wills
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Re: Capt. Lord: Opinions on the Man and His Actions (or Lack of Same)
hmmmm... what would it have been like if e.j. wasnt there.
well a lot better then they were at 11:40 p.m.
i think that when he came aboard and brought wilde with him that had to have underminded will's confidence. too me it seems s though e.j was compfortable with will as 1stand he did not want to change anything. that must have made william feel bad about himself.
i think things would have been very different without him.
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Go on, true heart,
thou'lt reach the goal.
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Re: Capt. Lord: Opinions on the Man and His Actions (or Lack of Same)
quote: it is sad that only 19 years before the titanic stanley lord and will murdoch sailed together on the same ship. he [lord] had no idea that will was an officer instead he thought that will was an apprentice like him. that in my honest opinion should show his lack of observation ....
I'm sorry, this is a new one on me, as I was aware only that Lord had applied to White Star but not that he had actually worked there - have you more details please?
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wills
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yeah it was before will joined wsl.
i am not sure which ship it was on but i'll check. more later.
wills
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Hi all
Well it looks like I will dive in here, By the way the board dont look bad but I seem to recognise it from somewhere :-)
Ok down to the post first, The Californian incident, This is what others have called it not me, it is also what the enquiery called it to clear Lord's name. Now I dont know if anyone here has read it or shold say them as there is two. but they are interesting to say the least. I have both copy's and just re-read them for another reason.
Again I honestly think people are very quick to condem, but the Californian seems to have only two sides. You either hate Lord or Love him.
Also I was surprised to see Ismays name spring up here. So you believe he was a coward, ok there is a nice post section to start. And those who know me here and I know there is a few will know I dont let go of that bone.
I am still trying to find the conection between JB and old Lord.
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wills
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quote: Graham 01 wrote:
Hi all
Well it looks like I will dive in here, By the way the board dont look bad but I seem to recognise it from somewhere :-)
Ok down to the post first, The Californian incident, This is what others have called it not me, it is also what the enquiery called it to clear Lord's name. Now I dont know if anyone here has read it or shold say them as there is two. but they are interesting to say the least. I have both copy's and just re-read them for another reason.
Again I honestly think people are very quick to condem, but the Californian seems to have only two sides. You either hate Lord or Love him.
Also I was surprised to see Ismays name spring up here. So you believe he was a coward, ok there is a nice post section to start. And those who know me here and I know there is a few will know I dont let go of that bone.
I am still trying to find the conection between JB and old Lord.
Regards
Graham
hello grahm, welcome
i am curious who actually mentioned jb here . i can not seem to find that post on this thread.
anyway as far as i know there is no connection between the two. jb and lord.
however there was one between will and him.lord that is . i have to check my book again but it was about 19 years before titanic so about 7 years before wsl.
wills
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Go on, true heart,
thou'lt reach the goal.
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wills~~~~~
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graham 01
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Hi Wills
On the 22/02/2004 murdochsaid1 wrote:
quote: "Again, Lill, I agree 100% with you there. Not only do I think of Lord as being a villian that night, I also look on Ismay too...for taking the coward's way out by choosing to escape in a lifeboat, right under Will's nose. The name, J. Brute Ismay, fits him to a "T". "
But as you say there is no connection between JB and Lord, Albeit a small one but nothing drastic
Let me know your source in relation to Wills and Lord, I think I know what you are getting at but I can post more on there meeting's if not.
But before condemning someone it is worth remembering Lord did make Captain,
By the way I am not condoning what Lord may of done or his crew. Read the testimonies of the Californian Incident, there is two and they make a good read, plus they are full of quotes from well known sailors like Lightoller etc.
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hello everyone. as promised i finally got the time to check the thing between will and lord out.
in a way i was mistaken . he didnt sail under will he sailed on another vessel. however his and wills paths did croos. this incident i speak of occurred when william sailed with his father on board the iquique.
hte iquique was at rotterdam and that is where their paths crossed. in this port was two other ships. the familar charles cotesworth ande the vessel naiad. some of wills old cotesworth shipmates were still aboard so he met up with them and they all met up with the gentelmen from naiad. the naiad was the ship for which stanley lord served on. at the time lord was 16.most like ly the reason that lord thought will was still an apprentice was because he still hung out with his former shipmates.
this is where i was thinking that they sailed together.
but now this is all cleared up.
wills
--- Suicide is a permenant solution to a temporay problem........
Whatever obstacles control,
Go on, true heart,
thou'lt reach the goal.
http://com4.runboard.com/bthetitanicshack
wills~~~~~
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