Ranting against Bush https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/t239 Runboard| Ranting against Bush en-us Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:32:24 +0000 Thu, 28 Mar 2024 19:32:24 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4364,from=rss#post4364https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4364,from=rss#post4364very interesting views there 7th. especially about big govt. never really looked at it that way. wills nondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Thu, 20 May 2004 22:03:00 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4363,from=rss#post4363https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4363,from=rss#post4363Grrrr, I will try to be philosophical here and speak in broad generalities so we don't have a ****slinging fest. There is an old saying which I believe might apply somewhat in this case (if I am wrong, take it as a compliment please). "A young person who is not a liberal is a hard hearted person. An old person who is not a conservative is a fool." I have lived through many administrations (yes, even back to FDR) and have seen them come and go...and I have heard this kind of talk all before pertaining to several other presidents too. SO...I cannot believe this one--or any one for that matter--is 'the worst'. It all depends which side or political viewpoint one holds. I doubt either view is all wrong or all right--but the right to HOLD and express those views should never be taken for granted. Too many times and places have not had this privilege. That being said, the part about differing political philosophical points of view, I will state MY reasons for not liking FDR and leave it at that. If one were to take a look at the percentage of the worth of the country that was taken and used by the central government in the form of taxes collected and spent, one would see (if one made a chart or graph) a more or less stable jaggedy line throughout the first hundred and fifty years of this nation's history, marred by sharp upward jags that correspond with our country's wars--the Civil War presenting the highest jag. On through a small one for the Spanish/American War, a bigger one representing WWI, each one dropping back down at their conclusion. Returning to 'business as usual' and a not very heavy tax burden as compared to most any other industrial nation. Americans were a free and independant people with their normal haves and have nots as in any society--but in our case those lines were flexible and one could relatively easily change status--up or down. The depression came and many went down. Depressions have come before--and have passed. But this time was different--enter FDR. I don't blame HIM personally for what was to come--it was more a characteristic of the second quarter of the 20th century--many countries were doing the same things...experimenting with what today is called 'Big Govt.' Most notably and infamously was Nazi Germany--but they weren't the only ones. So our chart or graph I described above begins to change--a 45 degree line now extends upwrd from that stable line of the first 150 years...and that line has been climbing at a steady rate ever since. What does that mean to you and me? Well, have you ever walked in one of those neighborhoods with the big old Queen Anne revival houses. You know the ones, with big windows and gables, sometimes a weird tower sort of thing with curved windowglass and ugly shingles on the second storys, wrap around porches and so on? Well if you dig, you will find that that was the sort of home a middle class often blue collar type person raised his faimily in. Towns and cities are full of those type neighborhoods. Today, after several decades of 'Big Govt' as invisioned and implemented by FDR and his like, we have many goverment 'programs'...but who still builds and lives in houses like that anymore? Or lives in a similar braket (large houses aren't popular any more). How many families do you know where it doesn't take two incomes just to make it? We still have the haves and have nots--that never stops in any society, but what about the plain old middle guy? What has happened with us--and why I am on the political side I am--is that the govt. is taking a larger and larger role in our lives--far more than it did a couple generations ago (starting with FDR) and we are really NOT getting any better a standard of living or quality of life for the vast increase of taxation, and worse, the trade of freedoms that we have made--as a matter of fact we are losing ground. I will stop now with only that single simple observation. A solution? Well, I have thought of one that might slow the process down, but it will never happen--the emotional trauma (and political power) would far outweigh the logic. What might very well do it is to make a constitutional amendment stating that any of those who benefit from a govt. program will for that duration be not eligible to vote. No that is not to penalize those who find themselves a 'benificiary' of a program, but to curtial politicians from 'buying votes' with the national treasury. Ben Franklin upon viewing the then proposed Constitution stated that he gave this country about two hundred years before it began to slide into mediocrity and eventual ruin as it would take that long for "the citizens to discover that they could vote themselves money from the treasury." FDR was the one that showed them how.nondisclosed_email@example.com (7th officer)Thu, 20 May 2004 16:57:46 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4362,from=rss#post4362https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4362,from=rss#post4362HI all As wills has pointed out I am not too sure that this board is the place to share views like this. I will be like Wills and sit and watch to make sure but any nasty post the thread will be locked. I still think it is a mistake but if you want it then ok Please though lets try to remeber on the board there is no politics or religion stated so any view is yours not the boards Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 20 May 2004 14:39:55 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4361,from=rss#post4361https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4361,from=rss#post4361Hear!!! Hear, Lights!!! But, I feel, IMHO, that it was the previous administration was responsible for the 9/11 incident...not necessarily, the current. MAnondisclosed_email@example.com (MurdochsAid)Thu, 20 May 2004 13:37:39 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4360,from=rss#post4360https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4360,from=rss#post4360I'm with you 100%...god bless a free country and let's keep it that way...not to mention a free site like TDTSC....and if I have never said it, I will now...thanks Tom for having such a great place for all us TITANIACs to get together!   nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Thu, 20 May 2004 04:36:46 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4359,from=rss#post4359https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4359,from=rss#post4359i agree ... we all have our opinions and we can all voice them all im saying is play nice... which so far we are ..... nothing wrong with voicing opinions.. willsnondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Thu, 20 May 2004 02:40:37 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4358,from=rss#post4358https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4358,from=rss#post4358Oh, I agree...and I like to play nice, that way we all go home happy...but one's opinion was asked and that is mine...we are all entitled to our opinions...that's what so great in a free county...I can feel one way about the President...and &th Officer can feel another way...let's keep it that way!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Thu, 20 May 2004 02:12:56 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4357,from=rss#post4357https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4357,from=rss#post4357ok . this is a very touchy subject for anyone. everyone has their opinions and like i have always said everyone is entitled to their own opinions .. however if this topic proves to get out of hand it will be locked... so as long as we all behave like adults we can keep it.. we can all be civil right? 7th is right their are worse presidents however lets not go there. lets play nice everyone ok. willsnondisclosed_email@example.com (wills)Thu, 20 May 2004 00:45:35 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4356,from=rss#post4356https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4356,from=rss#post4356I feel so bitterly towards George Bush that if I was able to, I would emigrate to England. His four years in office have been an utter DISGRACE! Unfortunately, the same man who got the Supreme Court to let that farce of an election stand rather than hold an hoest recount or a re-election should have no problem getting a second term...whether the American epopel want it or not! You may well believe that the full turth about 9/11 will not be known until another edministration is in power!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Thu, 20 May 2004 00:12:05 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4355,from=rss#post4355https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4355,from=rss#post4355FDR was one of "the" best Presidents we've ever had! If it weren't for him & his cabinet creating the New Deal, and Social Security...none of us Senior Citizens would have anything to live off of in our senior years. MAnondisclosed_email@example.com (MurdochsAid)Wed, 19 May 2004 22:06:02 +0000 Re: Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4354,from=rss#post4354https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4354,from=rss#post4354Uh...I don't know if we should start a political debate here among campatriots and cyber friends. I'm on the other side in that I think that dubious honor you mentioned (worst prez) truly should belong to Clinton (and FDR) for lots of historical reasons. So you see we would have an unprodcutive debate here which would only lead to stuff that shouldn't be led to. In any event I truly believe you have every right to feel as you will, and proclaim it loudly. I will (and have) defend your right to express it. But I like you and I don't want to mar our good times here with what could get us going places better not traveled...and I also know I won't be able to keep my big fat mouth shut. I hope you understand.nondisclosed_email@example.com (7th officer)Wed, 19 May 2004 21:33:28 +0000 Ranting against Bushhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4353,from=rss#post4353https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p4353,from=rss#post4353I can now safely say that Bush has got to be "the" worst President we've "ever" had!!! Why, that S.O.B. is worst than Benedict Arnold...when it comes to him completely selling out our country by not only outsourcing it to foreign investors; he's now granting our hard-earned benefits to undeserving illegal aliens from south of the boarder, as well. I'm sooo p.o. at him that I could scream!!! How do you guys, my fellow Americans feel about him? Are you as p.o. at him, as I am too? And you know what? I never voted for him in the first place. nondisclosed_email@example.com (MurdochsAid)Tue, 18 May 2004 16:49:59 +0000