graham 01
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Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
Hi All
I apologise for this thread been in this thread but I felt it about time as administrator I said something about what is going on yet again off board and on board in some places.
It seems like a private vendetta has been launched not against me this time but against one of the memebers who I will not name but think you all know who.
It has been stated some rather unsavoury things in mails sent to people who belong to this board and its sister boards etc.
I would lioke to take the oportunity to say that we as a group will not tollerate such events and will start to not only ban people who get involved in smutt campaighnes but also forword mails etc to the correct authority.
I find this last onslaught on the member to be so bad it has actually made me think about the whole network of people I associate with. I know this has hurt not just the person it was directed at but other members as well. I think it is time we all yes all stood back and thaught what certain mails do to peoples feelings.
I will as usuall get called to justice about sticking my nose in where maybe it is not wanted, but Hey I happen to think a lot about the people I think are friends, And I will stand by them and help whenever or however I can, if this means just moral suport or acting in some way then I do it, I do not sit and think about it first and hope it goes away.
When someone attacks my friends and people I care about some deeply then I retaliate and see it as a attack on me as well. Yes ok personal and I do not like that.
I also notice once again the names of certain people coming out in the attack. Yes they will not say anything in full view of the board but have to skirt round in private mails. Ok the content of some of thees mails would offound the delete button straight away but they could of objected maybe on board first.
I also would like to know why it is also the point when anyone finds themsellves with something good that they are imediatly slapped for it. Friendship is a wonderfull thing and believe me I know I do not have many friends now due to events that occured but the ones I do have I stand and stick to like glue.
It has to be said that some people just do not like to see others happy, so need to spoil it in some way. It is a shame they feel the need to do this as it shows a very unsecure person.
I personally will not tolerate it anymore, The last time this happend a few members where run in the ground for it and some even got very upset. That is not going to happen again.
We are a family of people who believe we have friends in the people we talk to, agreed we can not all get on with each other all the time but if we dont the easiest way is to not answer them.
I dearly hope this is going to end once and for all here and now.
If anyone has something they would like to say then my email address is [email protected]
or they can send me a pm or just answer here I will answer you in time I promise.
There is one person who in all fairness was just been friendly and helpfull towords another member who seems to of taken the backlash for it, and to this person you know how I feel towords you and I will not stand it. This person means a lot to me and has done so for a long time. And I am not going to see her hurt in any way,
This aplies to all my friends here, as a administrator I have the right to step in, as a friend I have more than a right I have a obligation, but more than that a want to as well.
I trust we will all take notice and try to help not hinder.
Graham
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Sep/22/2004, 12:09 pm
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Re: Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
Well, I'm always the last person to hear about these things...actually this is the first I am aware of anything--I guess it is because I am on the periphery of all this; I am a Titanic buff--among a whole lot of other stuff--and that's all...except here. Even when I am not thinking Titanic, I always take time to stop in this forum here and try to say something...well...just because I LIKE you guys.
I am on a whole bunch of other lists and forums: WW II German stuff, Reenacarnation ones, witchcraft and magick stuff, Civil War history, art conservation, 18th century forums, various reenactment things (I'm really big into that), Old West and Little Big Horn battle forums, Retro Style forums, antique radio, and gangs of other assorted interests. But I have NEVER seen the strife and backbiting that seems to infect the Titanic community. Sure there is some flaming once in a while (usually deserved), but it calms very quickly. But here on the Titanic it seems vendetta-like. What's the scoop? Why here? Is it just one or two people who just can't get along and are constantly in conflict with others? Or is it just plain something wrong with Titanic people?
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Sep/22/2004, 1:08 pm
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graham 01
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Re: Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
Hi 7th
I agree in all you say, Like you I am a member of many types of other boards as well as the titanic. I in fact did leave the titanic field at one point as most here know through the type of backstabbing and snide remarks that is associated with it. You only have unfortunatly to go look at any board remotly associated with the titanic to see a whole bunch of different people attacking others. Most of it is thorugh who has the rights to research certain things or people. But in the other cases a clash of personallity or friendship ownership seems the case.
I was not going to place anything out this time regarding the latest attack but I feel if I dont then people will start to think I do not care or look after friends and collegues. In the case of that I do greatly.
I am pleased that you have not been dragged into the latest one and hope it does not offect you in any way.
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Graham
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Re: Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
First of all, I must apologize to you all of my treatment of the situation - as many of you know, I'm up my butt with alligators (Old Air Force maxim: "When you're up to you a** in alligators, it's difficult to remember you original intention was to drain the swamp" ) with this con I'm running, and, frankly, from what I saw, GP was handling the whole thing well.
As to your question 7th, I offer another aphorism that applies: Infighting in academic circles is so vicious because the stakes are so low. We have a HUGE number of self-important people who want to be known, one way or another, as pre-eminant Titanic scholars. There is a huge amount of fame-chasing. And some of these people will do literally ANYTHING, from malicious gossip and verbal booby traps to marriage, in order to get it. It gets so vicious because they're all fighting for pieces of a rather miniscule pie. It doesn't show as badly in other fandoms, such as SF, because they tend to have larger ponds (although the Sherlock Holmes clubs tend to come close, and for the same reason).
There are only a handful of ways to deal with these people. Unfortunately, snubbing doesn't work as these people's hides could do work as a brick wall. Ignoring them usually brings on flame wars. The ONLY solution is to ban them, and make sure we ALL (all the Titanic forums) do so consitently. And they won't - some of these so-and-so's seem to be grandfathered in under an non-existant "Acceptable Nuisance" clause.
In other words, let's keep this site clean, let's keep it friendly, and let's bounce them hard. And when we find them at their games, as we have before, they get reported to the authorities and to the other forums.
We can't clean up the Titanic universe, but we can do something about our little corner.
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Hmmm, must be a small life when one has to get that worked up over who 'knows more' about a single century old incident.
I'm a Titanic buff (among a whole lot of other things) and I pride myself as being sorta 'an expert' as compared to the rank and file of ordinary folks. But within the Titanic fold it is easy to realize AND ACCEPT that there are lots of people out there who are more into it and know a hell of a lot more than I. Sure there might be some things I know or have access to that other T buffs don't (I get a kick out of finding obscurities for our trivia section)...but there are sure to be plenty who know more than I about the subject--hey, that's the way the world is.
While we're using old sayings here, I'll include one of mine:
"There was never a horse that couldn't be rode--and never a rider that couldn't be throwed."
In other words; No matter how good you think you are, there is always someone sometimes who is better--so live with it!
Sheeesh!
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 Re: Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
Hey I always learn something new wherever I check something out about TITANIC...so I KNOW everyone probably knows more than I do...so I just sit tight and want to learn more than anything else...that and handg out with threidns...even if it is only online 
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Upon consideration, I forgot one VERY important part of the mix: money. In both Titanic and Sherlock Holmes, there's gold in them thar hills - at least, in some of them thar hills. That changes the equation also.
And I agree with you fully that many of these people live very small lives - sad, really.
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Re: Not to do with titanic as such but just as if not more important
This topic has been moved from the rms titanic forum main topic.
Forum RMS Titanic
Date 11-11-04
by Graham
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State Can be accessed by all members
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