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Hi Wills

Excellent way to look at it. It crops up not just in Lord debate's but others to. Ismay for instance ( only a instance as well) He has been portrayed in a bad light from the sinking, not for what or who he was but for the simple reason he survived. People are against him as there is not one film that depicts the man as he was. People tend to jump on the band wagon whatever the subject is. All I ask of people in any topic is they research what they want. Then portray what they find out, not what others or films say.

Like you say the dog has to want to be trained.

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I find Ismay a rather sypathetic character, actually. The one bad thing he did was step into a lifeboat? Heck, everyone here could have done the same - as well as most of the people on the two committees, which I suspect is why they went easy on the man.
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Very true

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Hi Wills

Excellent way to look at it. It crops up not just in Lord debate's but others to. Ismay for instance ( only a instance as well) He has been portrayed in a bad light from the sinking, not for what or who he was but for the simple reason he survived. People are against him as there is not one film that depicts the man as he was. People tend to jump on the band wagon whatever the subject is. All I ask of people in any topic is they research what they want. Then portray what they find out, not what others or films say.

Like you say the dog has to want to be trained.

Regards
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thank you graham,
i think that ismay actually was a pretty good business man and his idea of the three ships was to improve the company and put white star back on top. granted he was easily persuaded in some situtations but overall in general he was a great business man.
i think that ttf is somewhat correct in her assumption of why the commitites were easier on him .... because they know that in the same situation they would most likely have done the same.

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Hi Wills

I agree Ismay was a great business man, Maybe a bit too good for his time but that is another story.

I do agree that that the committee could of looked at it that way. but there again if they condemn Ismay for it what would that say to the other rich who got in boats? They did not obviously want to set a precedence did they

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Apparently Ismay was different, in that he ran the company, a fact I guarantee he did not take into consideration when getting in that boat (talk about things furthest from your mind!)
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Ok What about Peuchan? he said he was a master sailor, but it was proved he was not and also Canada dis owned him I believe.

Carter also got in the same boat. His wife divorced him.

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Well I think something about Carter's already being on Carpathia and greeting her with a casual "I never doubted you would make it" reveals a bit about that marriage.....
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Very true I supose

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Well I think something about Carter's already being on Carpathia and greeting her with a casual "I never doubted you would make it" reveals a bit about that marriage.....



wow that is pretty bad...
i am not surprised though that the marriage ended in divorice.
i believe it was on the rocks before titanic sailed.
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