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Hi All

Now lets move up a gear shall we. Lets look at other ships in the area and could they of helped??

The Californian debate is always around when people talk of the disaster. Did she see the rockets and ignore them ? Could they of done something for the titanic?

Captain Lord of the Californian took a lot of flak and still does today but what are your thoughts.

Captain Lords son had the investigation re-opened, I have both copies of the testimonies available. This was done to try to clear the name of Captain Lord.

This generally runs into a long debate so be prepared.

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graham,
i will try to keep it short lol.
ok i am glad that his son reopened it but what was the outcome? i have found over the years that it really doesn't matter what the courts ruled or rule. people are still gonna think what they want. i have also seen that most people are one sided on this thought.

like i stated on another thread .
the one thing that remains a sailors piece of mind is to know that whenever they are in distress the ship closest to them would most definately help.
in titanics case this did not happen.
be it 9miles or 20 miles the fact remains
they were the closest to the titanic and they stood still.
that is a complete slap in the face of the crew of titanic. of course there is the theory of the mystery ship but seeing as how that has never been identified all we can really go on is the californian.

however during titanic's four days above water she did recieve a stress call. the deutchland [hope i spelled it correctly]
was asking for anyone to help them . they ran out of fuel.
bruce ismay chose not to help them even though titanic could have pulled the tanker or done something to help.
i wonder if while sitting in the lifeboat tha night if ismay recalled that particular message. and if so what did he think of it now. more to come later lol.
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Hi Wills

I am in total agrees with you, A sailor is always waiting to help others out. They where a bunch of very close people. They also had funny ways and beliefs but again that is another story.

I agree that moat people are either anti Lord or Pro Lord. I have yet to find anyone who is in the middle.

It is also interesting to note in the outcome of the new hearing, that really no final decision was made .

As for the mystery ship, well yes she is still a mystery. Although a lot of researchers seem to thin they know the identity but there you go.

Ok I now stand hands in air. The sos from the Deutschland as far as I know and can recall was from a position in front of the Titanic. This would mean in theory she was steaming towards her. Now I don't know this for sure and like usual would have to check up on it. As For Ismay refusing help, don't know that or not heard of it.

I am sure a whole lot of things went through Ismays mind that night while sat in a boat, Do you fancy a thread about that?

Great to hear from you though I thought you had deserted me today:-)

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graham. me desert you never lol.

i can not remember at the moment where i had heard about bruce refusing i believe it was a video of the survivers talking . have to look .

what are some of their beliefs?

i know they are very superstitious.
anyway yes it is a good idea for a debate.
i am always interested in what others have to think.
wills

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Hi Wills

I did not think you would desert me just yet:-)

No problem on Bruce I was just curious that was all, It is something I cannot recall and that is unusual for me on that Subject. But that is not to say it is not true. I will have to try a search around and see if I can find the inf.. Unless you find it first it may be a big help to me.

Sailors had many strange beliefs, like bad omens. And also a old sailor would not learn to swim, it was considered bad luck. No seagulls another. Death of a shipyard worker on the building of a ship. Sailing days etc.etc.

And like you I am always interested in what others have to say.

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yes the californian has to be the most talked about ship in history next to titanic and noahs arc.

as a matter of fact you can not have titanic without the californian and the carpathia.

i am still lookin gon that one about bruce.
wil keep you posted.
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Hi Wills

Thanks it will be interesting

If I get chance later today I will search around a bit myself as well. Not that I disbelieve you it is just a curiosity thing now. I have a feeling you may well be right

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hi graham,
i was at barnes and nobles a few years back and found a book called lost liners and various other shipwrecks or something like that. anyway it was a very big book.
have you heard of it?
it talks about the sultana , britanic ,
titanic,
and several others. i have not been able to find it since.

anyway back to the point. that is a very good book for people to start doing research with. it covers a lot of the 19th and 20th century shipwrecks.
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Hi Wills

Unfortunately there is many books with similar titles. It is hard to pin one down , But there is a book called lost liners, it is a sort of encyclopaedia type.

Does anyone want to read about some ship wrecks. I can post a daily on ones if you want me to. some weird and some mysterious. Some even from the WSL.

Just for curiosity did you now that the WSL held the record for the most people who died in a ship wreck before the titanic?

And also that it goes to prove the Titanic is really only famous as it was her maiden voyage, because in the same year , 5 Month after Titanic another ship sank with the loss of 1000 plus lives? and if you try to search for it you get just about nothing. Strange eh.

Titanic was not alone in been thought unsinkable either, a lot of modern ships of there time before titanic was said to be unsinkable by the press. They seem to of not learned at all do they.

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hi graham.

yeah i have heard about that shipwreck before as well.
i like you find it strange that they're is no 'evidence' of the wreck. i guess it is because it happen so close to the sinking of titanic.

yeah i would like to read some of the info you have on other ships.
i am aware of stories of several ships but mostly white star liners.
wills

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