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Re: Was the Wreck of TITANIC necessary, or could Said Wreck Have Been Avoided?


On the other hand, even with all those life boats and jackets there is still no assurance that you will survive - there was an incident near here, in Baltimore harbor, where a bunch of people died in the harbor and wearing lifejackets when a harborcraft overturned - and please remember that there are deaths in most shipwrecks, no matter how good the equipment is.

Having said that, yes, Lights, you are completely correct - your chances of survival are better on a ship than in a plane if something happens.

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Hi TTf

In reality the boats on ship are only half the boats anyway. A ship normally lists to one side making the lowering of life boats imposible

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Hi Graham,

Agreed. Most of the time only half the boats are usable due to list of the ship to one side or the other, but let me throw this spanner into the [sign in to see URL] when sinking a ship will take opposite cants one way or another, allowing at least some boats to be lowered on both sides...

Anyhow, if enough boats and lifejackets are provided, if there are deaths, at least one can say that an effort was made to provide for all aboard.

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HI Lights

What you say is true yes, But it does not alter the fact in reality not all boats are going to be lowered away. And in the case of a lot of ships they can move the ballast so in the rush of it they may try to load as many as poss and keep the ship o alevel keel.

But yes at least they do try to save as many as poss.

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Yes, [sign in to see URL] are greatly improved since the time of TITANIC, but you are [sign in to see URL] in the best of circumstances there will likely not be boats for all. I thinnk that if anything could have avoided the wreck it would have been slowing down in the face of ice [sign in to see URL], Capt. Smith's experience suggested otherwise to him...

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yes yu are correct. and also a small note if i may.

captain smith was only doing what he was taught to [sign in to see URL] was at the time common practice to run ships fullahead or a slight slower even in those kinds of conditions.
in general it was almost always done.

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Yes, you are right as well as regards Captain Smith's having been taught to run ships as he ran Titanic. Especially on the N. Atlantic route, "cracking on" was the norm for just about all [sign in to see URL] in all fairness the points I made early on on this thread are the result of [sign in to see URL] is one thing we ought to [sign in to see URL] of the reforms brought about post-Titanic were a result of said hindight.

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But still, Captain Smith should have used his head besides using it as a hatrack, to either slow the ship down to a more safe 21 [sign in to see URL] better yet, done what Captain Lord did when he stopped his ship, the Californian, stopping Titanic altogether.

Then radio/or Marconi ahead letting them know in New York know that they would be a tadbit late getting [sign in to see URL] to the ice field. Surely, those in the "Big Apple" would [sign in to see URL] in his case, it is better to be late then not get there at all.

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HI It all sounds so simplke to slow down or stop. It is not that easy in reality, The people on the ship would of had to spend another night abord the ship or more, Then the tide may be against them so having to anchor out at sea before docking, Then there is the turn round, A ship can only dock if there is space, If the titanic was late the next ship is still on time, They have to disembark all and luggage and whatever cargo, get the next lot of people on the ship and luggage and carg. not forgetting suplies. The ships crew would have to work round the clock

PLus the ship would not be ready for sailing when set sail again. IN the worst they would of had to pay enormous port costs for the delay.

Capt Smith did what all ships Capt do in the sea, They speed as fast as poss. In fact I have a copy of the guide for the captain from WSL which I will post here as soon as I find it it is rather interesting in away.

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Well, no, Tammy makes a very good point here, and so does Graham, even if neither knows it - that if we compare the reactions of Lord and Smith, we are comparing apples and oranges. Lord was captain of a freighter - his job was to get those goods to Boston, but he had wiggle room, shipping scheduals for non-perishables were looser in those days. Smith, however, had a tight schedual to keep - if he didn't get those passengers to New York on time, then the ship couldn't be refuled and refurbished and reprovisioned on time (costing money) and the passengers waiting in New York couldn't board, so they would be [sign in to see URL], etc. There was a difference.

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