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Was the Wreck of TITANIC necessary, or could Said Wreck Have Been Avoided?


Many people think that the wreck of Titanic was completely avoidable. In retrospect, it was utterly needless as well, as were the deaths of the hundreds and hundreds of both passengers and crew who were unlucky enough to end up in that icy, 28-degree water on that cold,windless, and moonless night in April of 1912. Those people didn't stand a chance of being rescued as most of the boats never came back to pick up those survivors who were slowly freezing to death. True, Lowe came back, but he waited until things had settled down enough to make sure that his boat could preceed safely through surviving swimmers. He only managed to save four people, one of who died in the lifeboat, but that's a lot better than the other [sign in to see URL], Collapsible B was not able to go back since it was upside down with thirty men aboard it. They really couldn't do much, since they had their hands full just trying to keep things on an even keel and pray that they'd stay afloat until a ship came to rescue them.

Having said that, I'd like to hear your opinon: was the i]Titanic
avoidable or not? Any and all viewpoints are welcom here, so speak [sign in to see URL] one at TDTSC will give you a bad time here--God knows that I certainly won't. So, crew, come along smartly and speak your price.

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ok . i will try to make this breif as i am very busy at the moment.

however. that is a great question lights.
it has been debated for years and it most likely could have been avoided but then we would not have learned anything . sea travel would not be safe as it is [sign in to see URL] is one i could go in depth on but right now im not able to . i think it could have been but also a question arises as to should it have been. if it were another ship would it have been as much of an impact i dont think so . this was the biggest the best the creme ala creme of the world. packed with the most influencial people and the most wealthiest and so on.

that just spells disaster. i will go into it more later.

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Hi Lights

Well in answer to the question, yes it was avoidable, All disasters and accidents are avoidable in a sense,

Had Capt. Smith headed to the warnings that day on the bridge, gone further south, ( though that in itself may not of avoided the accident all together) or stopped in the mist of night to check and reduce speed, more lookouts. The list goes on, So in reality yes it could of been avoided.

Now as Wills says, If the accident had not happened, where would ship travel of gone, Ok the Titanic may of still been around today to look at etc. But things would not of been safer as quick, Make no mistake if it was not Titanic that hit a burg that night and sank with a lot of soles another ship would of come along at a different date and done the same.

The Titanic in respect was a accident waiting to occur. Again like Wills so correctly points out, it is on her maiden voyage, Largest ship afloat at the time. Full of influential people, riches past all dreams. And more so the point reported albeit incorrectly to be unsinkable.

And again like Wills says we learned a lot after titanic sank and rules and laws where altered.

Again like Wills says, If this had happened to a older ship then would it of been a impact. Or would it just be another maritime loss like so many before it and after it.

It would be a nice thought to think through all the time and research that sea travel was a safe place, but with respect to the sea, we all know it is not. Yes it is safer than a lot of things but the sea is unforgiving to fools.

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And something that can't be forgotton, anyone who got on a ship is like anyone who gets on a plane today - we all know there is a - thankfully small - chance we may not make it to our destinations. They knew that too.

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Hi TTf

I think to a sertain extent when you got on a ship back then it was not as safe as a aircraft today, If yu look back at stats. you will find more lives where lost traveling then by sea, than by air of today.

You only have to look at the wreck sote and shhips list to quantify this.

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As a percentage - absolutely. But then again, ship travel is a lot safer as well.

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HI TTf

Ohh yes I agree I was just putting it in perspective thats all.

I would prefere to travel by ship any day, But then again no service now apart from the QM2. And lets say that is the cost of four or five trips on air.

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Not to mention the amount of time it takes - I had looked into returning to the US on my upcoming trip on the QM2, but aside from - no way - going second class - it also takes five days!

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Your chances of coming out of a shipwreck alive nowadays are a LOT better than coming out an airplane crash [sign in to see URL] after having been on a plane that nearly crashed when I was younger, I'll take the long way any time!! But then, i guess that's just me. emoticon

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HI TTf

Yes I agree ship travel is a lot safer now adays and yes you at least stand a chance of getting of a ship more than a aircraft. At least on a ship you have life jackets and a boat. Not on a aircraft, they give you a life jacket yes and a rubber raft if it is ditched in the sea, But not a parashute.

As for the main topic in debate, I wonder if such legislations for shiping today had been in force yesterday if the ship would of foundered.

If more training was given to officers and crew and not so much bums on seats training weather they would of handled things differently.

The wreck of the Republic was a grave warning only a few years prior to the Titanic wreck but went unheaded. In many ways.

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