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Was there panic on board the night of sinking


Hi All

On other boards a lot has been said about the breakdown of the ranks on board Titanic the night of the disaster.

Some say the crew and officers and even Smith panicked! Could this of been true.

When you read the inquiry statements which I did yesterday well some of them as you know the whole thing is a long debate in itself. I don't see much evidence of any panic. But it depends how we use the word "Panic". Today we use it very easy to mean to throw ones self in disorder. fluster ones self, or unsure and make rash decisions. The true meaning of the word is uncontrollable state of confusion, Mass hysteria etc. I can and will put the oxford dictionary definition up if any one wants me to and probably will later.

But lets look at it in a general form and not literally, I myself do use the panic out of context. I assume someone to panic if he she makes a decision without thinking of the consequence and in a hurry. This sometimes is the correct thing and other times the wrong thing. So on the bridge and decks of the titanic that night in either way you look at it there must of been panic. The ship is foundering, lives are going to be lost. Crew and officers, captain and builders know the true fate ahead. Most of the passengers have been on ships before and know the dangers. So how did panic reflect on the ability of the crew and officers to do there job. Hopefully not a lot as they are professional sailors. they work on ships all day and know and have been trained in emergency procedures. Like the service of today they face emergencies all day and are trained to react, but if someone has a gun pointed at them for a instant they panic. Adrenalin cuts in and they work to a script. Same in my theory of the officers and crew.

What is your theory ? I can expand a lot on mine but I will wait and see what comes back first.

Sorry if the above is a bit jumbled but having to work fast this morning and I am unable to give this a lot of thought as I type. I will go into the in depth reason why we panic or why they would of if you like and use my professional reason's for this as well.

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panic??? well the word means very different things for each individual . i am sure that everyone showed panic in their own way. it would have been very difficult not to.

besides if they did panic they had every right too.

but in retrospect if they would have [they being passengers and such] actually listened to the crew then more of them would have been safe. but they chose to believe that a ship was unsinkable. for which to that my reply would be .. yeah right no such thing.

i really think that if there was panic it wouldnt have been much untill after the ship actually dissappeared beneath the waves. that was most likely when they realized that this is it.. live or die...

more later.

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HI Wills

Ok lets define the word panic as the oxford English dictionary states :

panic

  • noun 1 sudden uncontrollable fear or anxiety. 2 informal frenzied hurry to do something.

  • verb (panicked, panicking) feel or cause to feel panic.

  — DERIVATIVES panicky adjective.

  — ORIGIN from the name of the Greek god Pan, noted for causing terror.

source oxford English dictionary on line

So we have it as a sudden uncontrollable fear, in that case yes I think there would of been panic, not just passengers though but of the crew.

But to agree with you the word panic means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. For a sailor to make a rash decision on the night that in a way could be put as panic. Capt Smith if you want to look at it logically shows great traits to what we would class as a panic attack, but I doubt that is what was happening there, as I am going into that side on another thread then I will defer that here.

Yes indeed there would be panic among passengers, all passengers and not just third class which has been depicted elsewhere. First class passengers still have the same feelings money does not change a body interior.

But as to your remarks about passengers not listening to crew where do you come from on that I am a bit lost there.

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well of course there was goin 2 b panic. the ship they thought was unsinkable was sinking! but i believe that the crew members stayed as calm as possible and tried their best to get everyone off as quickly as possible.

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Hi Dewdeck

Yes I agree there wass going to be panic and I also read from your post that seem to think this was isolated to the passengers, why do you think this was the crew aboave the panic then

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i believe that the crew of the titanic were very well trained for this kind of liner as she was the biggest man made object at the time.

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edited by Thomas Dyer, May/5/2005, 9:08 pm


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Hi Dudek,

Yes, the crew was trained, but panic does tend to be infectious and you would be surprised who panics and who doesn't. Remember at the end, all the boats were gone, Titanic was definitely going to sink and there was basically nowhere to go.

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