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I found the following article very interesting. [sign in to see URL]
The controdictions are amazing even seasoned veterans like Lightoller's testimony on page 10 was in direct controdiction to scores of other rescuers of other ships even hours later. And actual photos of the floating bodies bring to question the accuracy of Officer Lightoller's observations. I really believe that the survivior's accounts were absolutly effected from the tramia of the disaster. This spills over to other topics of great debate such as Charles Joughin's ordeal where I personally believe judgement of time and events were greatly effected.
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Please remember this is the open sea, as chaotic a system as can be found. Many different factors come into play here - for instance, each seperate berg caused its own currents, the wind blew some bodies away, there were several ships in the area likely to roil the water, etc., etc. The dissappation of bodies is not unreasonable under the circumstances.

Don't forget that the lifeboats were found over a five-mile area. True, some were rowing, but even so, that is a huge area considering they all started at the same location. Under such dissappation, the far-flung appearences of bodies isn't surprising.

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You must have been bored when you wrote this reply. "Please remember this is a open sea as chaotic a system as can be found" That is such a derogating statement specially a person who was deep sea fished for over 40 years in ships hardly 75 feet long in tough weather in the Atlantic and Pacific along with the Gulf of Alaska. Don't waste your time "trying" to convience me. I've seen days were the oceans were as smooth as ice and breaking fish could be observed miles away and others that were quite exciting. On that date of the resue it was quite the opposite of chaotic, it was rather calm then. Photos show the scores of bodies afloat, there was hardly a wave on the surface. Visibility was good. Your missing the testimonies of ppl on same boats that saw none and others saw masses. I'm not forgeting the five mile radious of boats but you fail to understand that a high center of mass such as a boat is more prone to wind drift than a low profile lifevest. You said "The dissappation of bodies is not unreasonable under the circumstances." Just what circumstances are you refering to where testimony states the bodies were all gathered togeter in masses even clustering around the ship.? Are you suggesting they drifted off? What wind? Records show a calm day. Testimony stated that the bodies were so thick they gathered around the rescue ships! You think they were dispersed by the rescue ships? Most were retrived at least those with lifevests. Read the article and debate the obervations of the witnesses don't try to convience me. That why I posted the article. I'm sorry not one reason you gave is supported rather all were documented the opposite.
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No. I am not going to even attempt to refute you, it's not worth the bother. The second I do that, all that will happen is another long-winded rude reply. Enough is enough, I am no longer going to take the abusive sneering tone, the condescending manner, the hectoring, or the rudeness. I am tired of the attitude, and if you are not willing to be polite to others, then you will not be allowed to post. Between the e-mail, the comments on the list, and this, I'm pulling the plug. Go find someone else on another forum to play your games with. I've banned you, and yes, it was me personally.



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 Might I suggest from now on that if you bann someone ..keep them banned or else nobody will learn their lesson. Tis why there is such a thing as [sign in to see URL] they are banned Ithink they should not be allowed to come back However just my opinion.

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I don't know what happened there, Wills, a glitch of some sort.

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I rarely am happy when someone has to be banned, but I do think it was merited in this case... I do not think that the sneering and sarcasm in this person's posts to you were at all necessary. We are all here to learn and if someone can teach me [sign in to see URL]! If I disagree, I can do so respectfully and then point out where I believe the poster to be in error.

Although I am not a moderator here, I would like to remind folks that we are all reasonably mature individuals (at least I HOPE we are!) and should conduct ourselves as such.

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Truthfully, I don't like banning people, and if others were as considerate as you are about it, Lights, there would be no problem. As I have been banned from places for no good reason (the one offered was shown to be an untruth and withdrawn, with none other put in its place) it is not a power I take lightly. And I am proud to report I apparently held off banning that person until long after a lot of people thought he should be. But as you said, we are here to learn and exchange knowledge, and certain attitudes just get in the way too badly. So - back to the subject, shall we?

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Yes, let's!

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HI All

Ok to try to keep on topic here ( a good first for me I know ) but did I not read somewhere that the life vests where tested at a far later date and found to not keep boyant for too long, If this is the case trhe natural effect of the body would take over, hence it would sink and then re surface again till it sunk for the last time. ( can give full tech spec on how and why if wanted) in this case the bodies would not be around long at all especially if the vests where not boyant for long either.

I doubt they would drift that far as said before the higher a object is in the water the more drift it gains. Try putting a stick in a lake and a small boat, the stick will stick more and not drift as far as a small toy boat etc. so in effect say a match stick cut in say what 4 and a model boat say 8 or 9 inch should simulate near as damn the effect.

So in essence I assume what I am saying is the body would not be there as they would of sunk maybe first time which they would re appear if they did not sink too far or forever as most did.

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