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I moved into my new apartment still in Evansville though. I agree I tried to tell Lights to expect some delays due to the flooding but I guess she had to see it for herself. lol. Yes it does tend to flood here quite A bit. especially since we are on the river . The Ohio river that is. it does tend to swell a great deal. When it does it truely is something to see.

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I jokingly told Lights that s/he needed either a rowboat or h/er Sundowner to get around town whenever it floods.emoticon

Anyhoo, I'll bet it is something to see, when the Ohio River floods. We live out here along the Colorado River, but we never have any [sign in to see URL] there's a wash behind us too. Only those whom live over in Maricopa County (the Phoenix area) experience such problems.

Are you still working for Wal*Mart?

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Yes I am still at wal-mart hopefully there untill retirement I absolutley hate starting a new job . It is nerve wrecking and I am gettign a bit to old for that. I agree s/he does need Sunny that would be nice to have just to sail on the river itself. lol.

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Yes I am still at wal-mart hopefully there untill retirement I absolutley hate starting a new job . It is nerve wrecking and I am gettign a bit to old for that. I agree s/he does need Sunny that would be nice to have just to sail on the river itself. lol.

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That's good, that you're still at Wal*Mart. I know where you're coming [sign in to see URL] it comes starting a new job. For me, the problem always was job interviews. I hated that aspect of job hunting! emoticon That's why I went the temporary job route instead. The companies I worked for, could see how well I did my job. BTW, working for Sears in Northridge, was the most fun for me.emoticon

Sunny would come in handy on the Ohio, wouldn't she?emoticon

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Well, I'm glad to see that you three are still around and keeping tabs on Murdoch!
Sorry, I checked my files and I don't have a recent electronic pic of my father. I will in the next day or so download one for you to see the resemblance.

 Elizabeth Crogent, had a very difficult time raising 7 children on her own. Sadly one of them was blind. After Murdoch past away they went to rags- and were help by the orginal Booth family. They lived in Liverpool, England.

Well, from those 7 children came a very large family who all believe that they are the geat and great-great grandchildren of Murdoch. My grandmother (Dolly) had 8 of her own children (my Father's Mother) and they went on to have many children of there own. My uncle Patrick ,who lives in Liverpool, has done research of his own and he came up with the same conclusions that I have.

The truth was hidden from our family for many years. We knew that he went down on the Titanic, this was passed from generation to generation. But no one knew to what extent he played a role. It was not until the last generation that we started to question it.

I believe that it was hushed and quieted due to the fact because there was an embarrassment; due to the fact that, in that day and age "Illegitimate" children were not recognized and were kept quiet.

 Although it must have been appealing to Murdoch that his wife by marriage (Aida) was not capable of concieving, and the fact that Elizabeth was extremely fertile.

He kept her and the family in Liverpool, which was a major port in it's day and I believe he spent alot of time there. He must have kept it quiet; that is what was done in that day and age. Particularly that he was in such a position of power; he would have wanted to uphold his Integrity.

In any event; I believe that he fathered these children. Even on my grandmothers birth certificate the father's name is "Unknown".

Also in the Congressional hearings there is evidence that a "Mystery Wwoman" burst into the court room during Murdoch's hearing. She was hysterical and was refused to be heard- she was dragged out. She was recorded in the court hearing documentation.

I believe that this mystery woman is Elizabeth. And I believe that she was refused to be heard in order to "save face" in his memory.

Unfortunatly this lead to a life of difficulty and poverty to Elizabeth and her family. When I think of the family I can't help but think of the book "Angela's Ashes"
if any of you have read it. About the very poor english family that endured unbearable hardships.

Anyway's thanks for hearing what I have to say.
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Hi there Victoria,
It is an incredible story, and before I began I would like to thank you for sharing it with us. I would like to know for sure as well if it was in fact William Mcmaster Murdoch. That name William Murdoch was a very common name in those days . Some spelt it the Scots way with ans [h] others spelt it the English way with a [k].
It is interesting perhaps it was another "Will Murdoch" Have they done a lot of checking outon it?
I would like to follow your families progress if possible.I find this entirely fascinating indeed.

Thanks again for sharing your story with us


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Hi there Victoria,
It is an incredible story, and before I began I would like to thank you for sharing it with us. I would like to know for sure as well if it was in fact William Mcmaster Murdoch. That name William Murdoch was a very common name in those days . Some spelt it the Scots way with ans [h] others spelt it the English way with a [k].
It is interesting perhaps it was another "Will Murdoch" Have they done a lot of checking outon it?
I would like to follow your families progress if possible.I find this entirely fascinating indeed.

Thanks again for sharing your story with us


Wills




Uhm, Wills, the other Murdoch gent who survived Titanic's sinking, is of Irish descent. Check the other "newer" WMM thread. There you will see a Wikipedia link to him in my post.

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Thanks MA,
I will have to check that out as well. However I think if it is the other guy then perhaps we with our knowledge of officer Murdoch could be of some assistance to her and her family.

I also think she has a right to her own beliefs and she also has a right to tell her story as well.

Let's just set back and read it. We may find out some more interesting facts that perhaps none of us in the "titanic world" never knew about.

Wills

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[sign in to see URL] still, I don't think that Will, being the good man that he [sign in to see URL] ever cheat on Ada. I have too much trust and faith in him as being the kind loving true gentleman that he truly is. He strikes me as not being that kind of an irresponsible man.

If he allegedly fathered 4 children by another [sign in to see URL]'t you rather doubt that he would shirk his duties as a father, beginning with the first child? He is just too good of a man.

After all, Wills, he is innocent until proven guilty, is he not!?--Log in or sign up to see linked image content-- I strongly believe in his innocence too.

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Ok ,
I too believe that he was a stand up guy . if he done something he never seemed like that [sign in to see URL] type to turn and run. So on that I whole heartedly agree with you. Also
yes he is innocent untill proven guilty , however [sign in to see URL] the same standards you just mentioned so are Victoria and her family. They have a right to know just like eveyone else. I would like to believe that JANE AND SAMUEL MURDOCH raised their children better but you never know.I CAN SAFETLY ASSUME THAT THEY DID WITH BOTH BEING VERY STRONG DISCIPLINARIANS. However Only Will could tell us and unfortunately he is not here. If they have questions then perhaps they have answers as [sign in to see URL] same can be said for us as well. Perhaps before jumping on the defense wagon just listen to what the lady has to say. It will not kill us ..to at least listen.. after all that is what Will would have done . He would have at least given the person a chance to tell their side of the story . NO MATTER HOW RIDICULOUS IT SOUNDED TO [sign in to see URL] was after-all a gentalman in that aspect as well.

We also have to look at the pending facts... he was a [sign in to see URL] excuse [sign in to see URL]. He went everywhere in the world whose to say what he did or didn't do. Certainly not you nor I , we are in no position to speak for him MA. I think everyone has the right to their own stories no matter what .


On another note I have checked that site out before and it does present some interesting facts that can not be ignored either but perhaps two and two can become one [sign in to see URL] like the old saying goes only time will tell.


Wills

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I think that I read over on Richard Edkins' Dalbeattie Town History, that there are missing years out of Will's life that are unaccounted for. They were his 1890s years. Hmmm. Perhaps there could be something to Victoria's story after all, but...

I wish that she would come back and tell us more of her story, Wills. I agree with you about Will. For even he would be willing to sit down to listen to her complete story (no matter how ludicrous it may sound) to him.

I also wish that Lights would join in with our discussion about Elizabeth Crogent. Especially since he personally dealt with her himself, by escorting her out of the Titanic Inquiry proceedings in either New York or London. Surely, even he would remember that hysterically distraught woman, and share with us about what she may have said to him after he escorted her outside.

Perhaps you could persuade Lights to come join us here. Please won't you do that, Wills?

Thank you,
MA

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