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what about other ways of saveing the titanic.


hi mollyee here

i just thought of two things.

one what if the titanic had not of sank would she had been a in our hearts like she is or would she be like her sister olympic were no one relly rembers.

second there is two ways the ship could of been saved. one she could of backed out and went towards the light there could see or she could of hit head frist into the icebreg.

they is also away they could of saved the passeges put them on the icebreg.

thats all for now
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Captain Smith, for one important thing, didn't have to cave in to Bruce Ismay's publicity roose, by ordering the remaining boilers to be lit to speed up the ship. Especially since he knew, after receiving that iceberg warning from Harold Bride...they were about to enter an ice field. He simply could have kept Titanic on her steady 21 knots course.

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one what if the titanic had not of sank would she had been a in our hearts like she is or would she be like her sister olympic were no one relly rembers.



If Titanic had not sank I think she would not be very well known, today but Titanic would have probably been a popular and much loved ship just like Olympic and would be remembered for that by the people who sailed on her and people with an interest in the history of passenger ships.

If Titanic had not sank and had not been scraped like most ships are at the end of their careers then she could have probably been as famous as Queen Mary, if she was converted into something similar to her.

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second there is two ways the ship could of been saved. one she could of backed out and went towards the light there could see or she could of hit head frist into the icebreg.



If she had hit the iceberg head on then I think she would not have sank, but if William Murdoch had decided not to turn to avoid the iceberg then he would have had a lot of explaining to do.
It’s the same as if you where driving a car and you noticed something in the road and you had the choice to turn to try to avoid it or smash into it. emoticon


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Seeing Titanic or Olympic turned into a la Queen Mary Hotel and major tourist attraction...would be an awesome ending to their seafaring careers. Since the former liner is/was basically American owned, I would see her put on display at the WSL 59th Street Pier (aka Chelsea Piers). emoticon

Now, as for what Will did/didn't do...isn't it a case of - because it was unusually dark that night of April 14, 1912, as well as the sea being unusually smooth except for wake from the ship. No waves were seen breaking up against "the" iceberg...and even it was a dark ominous object they did not see until it was too late. Plus, let's way in still yet another factor. Because neither Will, nor the lookouts did not have X-ray Superman-ish eyes...did not see that ice ledge from the berg, below the surface of the water. Although Will tried to turn the ship 'Hard to port' around it, Titanic's keel rode/scraped over it...hence, causing damage to her double skin.

Evidence has been found recently to support this theory. Such as two port and starboard bottom sections, that fit together between the third and fourth funnels. You can read about it in THS' TITANIC Commutator, Volume 29 - Number 172, the 2005 issue. The Discovery Channel also did a special on it, titled: Titanic's Final Moments.

I too, as I was driving home on a country road from my folks place up in Oregon, and had to slam on my breaks when I saw a deer standing in the middle of the road. I soon found out that the deer was a female, and she had two fawns with her. I like to think that because I stopped, I didn't kill Bambi's mum.emoticon Wheeled vehicles with excellent breaks, can easily come to a complete arupt stop. While ships cannot in water. That's the difference.

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Hi its mollyee here,
Thank you for your reply to my topic.

I agree with you that it was unusually dark and smooth on the 14th of april 1912 but i will say that capitan Smith had ice warnings and he did not slow down and to me that was wrong.

yes i know about the new evidence because i saw Titanic final moments on the discovery channel and i found the evidence and Titanic final moments very interesting.

I am happy you did not kill the deer but i do not think that is the same as the Titanic and what happened to her and what people did or did not do.

As for you saying that "since the former liner is/was basically American owned" you are wrong yes America funded the building of the Titanic but she was built in Harland and Wolff belfast which is in Britain and white star line built her which is a British company, registered in Liverpool and she sailed from southampton which are British ports. So the Titanic is British not American.

Oh incidently I have recently visited Alnwick in Northumberland where they have the first class lounge from Olympic (Titanic sister)if these ships had been so American how is it that we have the pieces in our country. As we know American's do not like parting with anything which they regard as their history

thats all for now
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In 1902 the White Star Line was bought by IMM, which was an American company but the White Star Line remained a British registered company and their ships were also registered as British ships.

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Oh incidently I have recently visited Alnwick in Northumberland where they have the first class lounge from Olympic (Titanic sister)if these ships had been so American how is it that we have the pieces in our country. As we know American's do not like parting with anything which they regard as their history



I’m hoping to go there soon. As Olympic was broken up in that area of the county a lot of her fittings ended up there. When Olympic was scraped she was considered as ‘just another ship’ (but a good just another ship) and was not considered as an historically important ship (as we know her as today) to some time afterwards. In fact there was not that much interest in the items at the auction of her fittings. The owner of the hotel bought the first class lounge as he often crossed the Atlantic aboard her.

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hi captain (administrator)

Its mollyee here thank you for replying to my topic.

If you can try to get to Alnwick you should because the Olympic first class lounge is well worth seeing .

I am hoping to post some pictures of the olympic first class lounge soon.

Thats all for now.
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Hi Mollyee,

unfortunately it is the what ifs that will never be answered. I think that is part of the lore of Titanic and her crew and passengers. All we can do is guess or suggest what we think might have happened if done differently but not much more.
As for Murdoch and his actions that night well ,, there was really no way around it. Either way he was gonna be second guessed .
Truth of the matter is nobody can really say how they would react in that same senerio and hopefully nobody will ever have to..

Wills

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<<Truth of the matter is nobody can really say how they would react in that same senerio and hopefully nobody will ever have to..>>

Amen to that, Wills!

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Exactly, going off topic here but I often say to people who say that J Bruce Ismay should not have got into the boat, what would you do if you were on Titanic and you had the choice of going in to a boat and surviving or leaving the seat empty and dying.

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