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I personally like that idea 7th officer hope it floats. I think that it is not a set in stone issue but makes for an interesting discussion. Well done!

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I think it's a great idea, 7th Officer! Perhaps a whole new section on it, would do. As long as it's OK with Tom, of course.

And Graham & titanicangel06, I also agree with you two 100% too, with whatt you said, as well. emoticon

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HI All

Lets see what we can do then

Thank you all for your honest comments and it shows we can discuss this with dignity,

I am aproacable for anyonne who wants to discuss this off board as well In know some people are worried about talking due to events in the past but if you do want to comment on it off board please send me a pm or mail privately to me.

graham.01@ntlworld.com

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Sorry but I am totally against the idea. Especially since TAMMY doesn't even know what she's talking about. She claims in a previous post and I quote "You know--as in a "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" kind of thing" In which the
"Treat others how one wants to be treated" is from the bible yet on the other hand her body is occupied by a dead guy?? That's condtridicting itself.

What Tammy's case is, an obsession with someone she doesn't know, never met and never will meet gone out of hand.

This is a Titanic forum and I strongly disagree that a topic relating to past lives/ people occupying someone's body belongs here. Especially since there are boards specifically designed for the topic.

But I'm probably the only one who thinks this and is against doing a topic on the subject and am also probably the only one (other than those on the Kate board) who thinks Tammy is completely bonkers, but then again I've known her longer than most of you and seen a lot weirder stuff that she's posted than on here.

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Hi Rosie

I am sorry but this has to be addressed First we can not allow someone to make accusations towards someone who may or may not know what they are talking about. One side how do you know she does not know what she talks about, Sorry if that sounds argumentative but we have to take all peoples messages as we find them, yes disagree but in a way it is possible for others to answer it without causing a argument.

I used the quote " treat as others how one wants to be treated" not Tammy. Yes Tammy did use the first one . I suppose as well without having to go into religion as I am not doing that for obvious reasons, there is a slight contradiction in a way, But religion does have a big part in any reincarnation events. It depends how one looks as to how you decipher it.

Again how do you know for sure it is a obsession? Again I do not want to argue with you or anyone on this and hoped that a diplomatic discussion could of happened. But like you say at the start you are apposed to the idea. I will take this to mean you are also opposed to the thought of reincarnation? I don't mind as I know people are either for or against it very few will listen to both sides. Where do you class yourself in that? Again please do not see this as a argument to you in any way I just want to clear the air a bit.

I think also gone out of her head is a bit strong. In that statement you imply a lot and unfairly so.

Yes it is a Titanic forum, But Titanic is history and as such like 7th points out reincarnation is brought up a lot in history discussions. It is a rapidly growing theme and while I do not dispute there are those out there who use it to make research work on there side I do not see that happening here. And yes I agree there is boards specially made for this, I have visited some of these boards and they are poorly moderated or they make things fit for there own convenience. Not all but most. I am not suggesting we do that but I suggest a proper run thread on the subject to air views and thoughts and maybe just maybe a few good links to research going on in the field regarding the possibility of such a thing.

Yes there has been a lot of trouble on some boards regarding threads of this nature but that has mainly been through cross threading not direct threads. Some so called reincarnated people try to push information on others that just is not true or credible. I have spent a lot of time and effort and sometime money in order to chase a lead to find it came from someone who was a bit lets say dubious on the true fact. I do not consider anything that is said by some to be true, Others I do and for that I will search and research to find out which is which.

I disagree that you are the only one against such a thread, but like a lot of people they will not go into it as they fear arguments. That is how all these threads turn out. I am offering a thread that will not have the usual arguments but a research thread if you like. You have been the one who has spoken out against it, maybe not the way I wanted anyone to answer as this just shows how the threads get like they do, Sorry for that but it is true. It could of been put exactly the same but maybe in a more easy reading way.

I do not condemn you for your thoughts and I would never do that it is the way you have portrayed them I do not go with.

And on the other board you mention maybe there are a lot of people here who know the board I do know of two but wont mention names as they are not participating in this thread. But what people think is to do with them not us, And to say it means more than think. And ok you have known Tammy longer, then surly you know also how to make her upset , And I feel this has made her upset and upset people retaliate in a rather bullish manner. see how the thread soon becomes a slinging match between two people, then there friends stick up so a big almighty row starts. Come on Rosie Tammy was as she indicated in the thread prepared to bury the hatchet and talk. I hoped you would do the same.

I appreciate you posting but please please think a little bit on the feelings of people first, I know it is a hard topic I am probably more aware than most on that due to work I do. But it can be talked about civil.

we are not discussing other boards we are discussing this one and if things get too weird then I or one of the other moderators or indeed Tom will make sure it is closed or edited or worst deleted.

I am not saying to you to kiss and make up as I think it has gone to far for that, But look on it another way, If this was in a thread of its own you can select to read it, participate in it or leave it alone. Just like a TV or radio it has a button for off.

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You see Graham, I do not mean to make Tammy upset, however she has a way of making me p****d off at her. She talks about this type of stuff and will critsize people she doesn't even know. But that in itself is a totally different topic.

I am 100% against reincarnation as the bible (yes I'm going to have to go into preaching a bit here) says nothing about once you die you are reincarnated. Once you die, depending on your belief (ie: Do you believe In God and his son, etc) then you go up to Heaven to live forever. You are no reincarnated into a cat, mouse, human whatever.. I can't quote the bible but I know reincarnation isn't part of what I believe in and I am strongly agaisnt it.

I have no problem with people who think they are reincarnated, as long as they talk sensibile. Tammy does not talk sensible about the subject. Stating she felt someone get turned on inside of her is not sensible. That's just sick. However I do disagree that despite reincarnation might somehow relate to history (wihch imo doesn't due to there isn't a thing as Reincarnation but anyways), I don't think a topic/thread should be posted about it.

I think I will leave this thread alone from now on, as I seem to be causing nothing but an arguement.

But I do think I know now why most people don't allow religion or policical discussions on boards....


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Hi Rosie

First please can we refrain from using certain words in posts, It is not needed to make a point. I have had to edit your posts,

It would seem from your post that you believe that Tammy is making a point of going all out to upset you in this debate, I am sorry 1/ you feel that way and 2/ if it is true you are rising to the bait. I do not think however that Tammy is, My opinion only there. Like I said in my last posts, Tammy was prepared to bury the hatchet and discuss this topic with you/ You seem to me to be unable to do this with her.

I agree if Tammy does criticize people then apart from that one post which was addressed and corrected I have not seen it. And yes I agree it is a totally different topic.

Just because you are against reincarnation does not mean it is not correct fro others to be or show an interest in the subject. And no I am not going into the bible in any way at all. You have your opinions and are perfectly entitled to them, It is a free country and as such have the right to air your views, Just the same as any other person. Me I am the person in the middle trying to stay calm and just to both and all.

You are correct though it does depend on your belief, If we all believed the same then messages boards forums and most things in life would not happen.

You say you have no problem with people who believe they are reincarnated, I am at a slight loss here then, so what is the problem? I have not heard Tammy talk of reincarnation on here yet, Nor have you I don't think unless it was a long time back and hopefully forgot. I also would say who is to say the things you mention is not sensible. Again it may be going against someone belief. If a person believes in it who are we to say it is not true.

You have stated in this message a few times there is no such thing as reincarnation, Now can you prove it. I think not nor can Tammy or anyone else prove there is as yet but scientists are doing a lot of work in it and coming up with some very good points.

If you feel you have to leave this thread then that is your decision I cannot make you read or act on it and would not do so. I am sure your views will be aired somewhere or kept to yourself. Shame really as if in history peopled listened and did not discuss or research the earth may still be flat. In any debate one has to have a open mind. It would seem you are keeping yours closed to the whole debate on reincarnation. Again this is not a attack on you or anything like that, And hope you do not see it that way.

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I wasn't here yesterday and I see I missed some stuff here. However; it doesn't really matter so much as Graham said it all so much better than I could anyway.
What we have here is beliefs clashing. Those who are interested in 'exploring' the possibilities of the past life experience seem willing to talk about it. Those who don't believe in any such possibilities don't seem to want anyone talking about it. I don't know what to think. But I do know this; the phenomena is generally considered 'Past Life' rather than reincarnation. Reincarnation is a specific belief that some people hold, the more objective of the interested folks, like myself, don't necessariily attribute the past life thing to reincarnation--it could very well be as a result of something else entirely...and that's the fun of discussion.

I am open minded about the whole thing, but not necessarily a believer in any theory. However; I cannot help believing such a phenomena exists--too many people experience it. It's sort of like UFO's. I believe in them--as what they are: Unidentified Flying Objects--I would never say they are aliens visiting or whatever without some pretty hefty evidence--which has not been forthcoming. No, they remain Unidentified Flying Objects--precicely that...unidentified. But too many people see them so how can one NOT believe in them with that definition?

All this being said, the people with Past Life 'feelings' (for lack of better word) often do in fact have some unusal insight into the historical events they 'come from'. However, like Graham so aptly pointed out, rarely must one place credence in non researchable 'facts' from this source...but sometimes they can indeed point the way to certain things.
It should not be dismissed so lightly--but not taken overly seriously either. It is like any other source...something to ponder.
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oh my this is the thread that i was told about. hmmm.....
well this is as it has already proven to be a very touchy subject for everyone.

wow however this is a thread about models i know this because i started this thread...

however to get a bit off topic for a while here

sorry i have missed this and i thank graham sincerly for catching ...

i see grahams points totally.

rosie i understand your point as well ...
i am well aware of the whole story with tammy and 'will' /so please do ont assume that we are not aware of anything.
this is a quiet board and would like it kept that way.

and oh yes the kate winslet fanclub board....well let's not go there ... the phrase been there done that rings a bell.

you are right this is a titanic forum however lots of people have claimed to be reincarnated fromtitanic victums and have even written books about it.
whetther you believe in it or not it is deemed inappropriate to bash someone else for believing in it. it doesnt mean you are right and tammy is wrong and it certainly doesnt mean tammy is right and you are wrong. it is about what everyone believes in and that is it.

so now that this is said and done lets get back on topic.

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Ive been waiting for this. Does anyone know where i can get a nice model of the titanic? We have them here in hobby shops locally that you can assemble (and believe me, niether myself nor navynuke has a problem with that) but the ones here even in the hobby shops are cheezy little plastic models that parts fall off of and there is no pedastal for them. Any info anyone can give me on this would be appreciated.I am not much into colecting in terms of titanic, but I wouldl ike to have a modle for my study room... emoticon

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