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Hi Guys,
      Glad to see you popped over to add your comments to Tom's site between two conspiracy forums it should generate some good posts. John from; http://www.johntitanic.tk

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Hi Old and new posters

First I had better welcome the new posters to the site and hope you have a good time with us.

On the conspiracy theory, I wonder how many people have actually realy looked into it, I am ot sayiong I have mysellf and I am also not sayiong I go with it but I do read the posts and books on the subject with a open not closed mind.

Will post more when I get a chamce

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Actually I think I DO have an open mind on the subject, Graham. I have read both books by Gardiner and as of now I just don't think he has proven his case. However if anyone comes up with evidence to the contrary, I shall be all ears! emoticon

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Hi Lights

I did not say you had not read it with a open mind what I said was I read information with a open mind and did not accuse anyone of not doing so, but do believe certain people do as if it does not fit with what they want it to the dismiss it.

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Fair enough, Graham. And yes there are a lot of people in the TITANIC world who have closed minds.

Have you checked out Capt. John's board yet?

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Well, on this I must admit a closed mind, as the likelihood of such a conspiracy as this is zero. Please note, however, before I decided this, I have read both books, plus Beveridge's rebuttal.

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Hi TTf

I can understand people who do go with this with a closed mind and like you say you do look at it with a closed mind. There are many facts though that are not been answered in the debate. The discovery channel did a documentry on this ( the conspiracy theory) in which they showed both sides of the argument. And some of there facts where a bit no a lot different to that stated by the so called proffesionals of today who believe they know everything about the titanic.

They also interviewed a lot of relatives from the Harland and Wollfe ship yard and had somne rather interesting points.

Robin Gardiner has been ridiculed and cast aside for his delving into this and that in a way seems a unfair situation as he has never once ridiculed anyone for not believeing his story yet he is trat with distace. What of all the other big authors who make mistakes, do we see them ridiculed in the same way, I think the answer is no.

As to the switch theory I like I say do look at it in a open mind as I look at all things the same way.

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My main objections are practical. I'm going to write them all up here, then save them as a rant, the same thing I did with Titanic II.

First of all, you have 15,000 people working at H&W. Even if we cut it down to those "In the know" we're talking around 5,000. Nixon had maybe 5 in on Watergate, and one of them blabbed - what are the chances they all kept their mouths shut?

Both ships were self-insured through White Star, and, as everyone who has ever had to buy a car knows, it is always more expensive to replace something. The would have lost money on it.

There were a HUGE number of differences in the two ships, this was not just "Paint the brightwork". Most are on the order of the enclosed promenade, impossible to mistake.

And on and on - I would suggest a read of the TRMA discussions on this at http://titanic-model.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=100&topic_id=4443&mesg_id=4443&listing_type=search



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Hi Lee

Ok so you now consider this a rant and not a debate,

On the first point, it was alleged that when the titanic was switched ( according to the discovery channel documentary) that there was no where near the amount of people associated with it that has been the depiction of people . It was again according to the documentary a bank holiday when only skeleton staff where on duty. And no I do not just use the one source but as it is becoming apparent others are using one source only.

Second the Watergate affair and the titanic switch is two different things and totally different. One is about a Government who is supposed to be trusted to run the country and the other is about a company.

And yes I agree totally both ships where self insured to a fact. I wonder though if anyone has added the story of the Britannic into the equation? Read George Behe book about the near fatal accident on the britanic. could this be just a another coincidence on bad seamanship one wonders?

And yes there was a huge number of differences in the two ships I agree.

And yes thanks for the link I will go read it.

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I am not talking about Watergate as a comparison as to conspiracy - I am saying people will talk, and eventually any secret with more than five people in on it, someone will talk. Yet no one did.


In order to change Olympic to resemble Titanic would have taken a lot longer than one bank holiday and a few workers. There were many differences in both ships that would have had to be made, utilizing a lot of machinery and man-hours. The First Class Promenade enclosure is a good example.

Go read Beveridge's book. He rebuts the theory far more lucidly and in much better detail than I can.

What I meant by rant is I have several - I guess you would call them FAQs - on subjects that constantly return to the Titanic forums - Titanic II, the Californian, the Mummy, this - so that I need not wear out my keyboard.

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