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Judging by past ways I don't suppose they will leave it alone. Maybe if one of there relatives had died on it they might think different then again is there any respect left now a days?

It should of got declared a "grave" many years ago, but then all companies are worried about is big profit. maybe now the bottom has fallen from things like this it may happen when they leave it alone, after all with the economic crisis all over the world would not the money be better spent on more pressing things.

My take is it should of been left alone from the start and any objects should never of been lifted

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I'm with you Graham, though in principle I have no problem with serious scientific research and passive ROV exploration of the ship. Anything else is wrong. The artifacts brought up to supply the TITANIC exhibitions should have been left where theywere.

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Hi Lights

Yes ok serious research in a way is ok as long as it does not include invasive means. If it can be found out without wrecking the wreck then ok but why oh why do they have to disturb graves to find a cup or saucer with no historical worth at all.

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Would you ever visit an exhibition showing the items that have been raised? I have never been to one and I generally don’t agree with salvaging from Titanic but I’m not sure if it would stop me from visiting an exhibition and I know others have said the same.

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Yes agreed but then the rov did not cause any damage in itself. nor did it collect any artifacts, (artifacts is the wrong word it should be personal items of the dead )

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I was talking to a group of people today who said they wanted to start a petition to raise the whole ship! Don’t think there is much chance of success for them emoticon Even if they could raise enough money and find a way to do it, which is impossible the ship would probably just fall apart by the time it got to the surface.

Remember how difficult it was to raise the "big piece" it even sank for a second time.

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HI Tom

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on personal view, it would be impossible. Then again one should never say impossible, I was told that on a ship we was saving and we did it.

You are correct of course that logistically it would be unfeasible as imagine how much of the ship is under ground in the silt sand whatever.

We where asked to help in the raising of a old German sub not so long ago and that was a nightmare, to raise something the size and condition of the titanic to me and my own personal opinion today still impossible unless you do a complete excavation of the sea bed at the same time.

Then of course you would have to find lifting gear for it. Read up on things like the Mary Rose, I know the jacking company for that job and speak to them on many occasions. Then look at a relatively modern day job like the Kursk, The Dutch company involved in that have some very interesting elements to add. I also know one of the people who was with that lift and he speaks a lot on it.

Plus lets assume by some miracle that they do manage to find a company who would attempt it, If they was successfully what would you do with it It has to be preserved the outcry by millions of people regarding graves etc. It would be a red hot potato from the start and I doubt any person of sane appearance would go for it.

This is not forgetting the cost of course.

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The exhibits only cotain items gathered from the debris field and not out of the ship itself. I have seen the exhibit and if anything, it is more a memorial to those who were on her that night. Rather than ghoulish delight, it causes one to reflect more on those people, what they were like, what they felt, and who they were. Through the exhibit many more people come into a sort of contact with those people of then and ponder who they were--more so than if there were no exhibits.
I would have to assume that those unfortunate people would rather be remembered--through their artifacts and lore--than to have died in futile anonymity.
It keeps their memory alive.
And Graham, as for retrieving a cup and saucer and calling it 'personal items of the dead' is a misnomer. Those things were merely part of the ship's equipment--certainly not grave goods.

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HI Seventh

Great to see you around :-)

In a way I do have to accept and indeed agree with you, And yes your closing comment is true and I apologies as I did rather mess that bit up:-)

Still personally and it is my own opinion I do believe nothing should be brought up,

The main problem been of course it to get authority to do anything about it as they will no doubt get a kick back in a way from any artifact.

The second problem would be that of pirates I suppose, a lot was made about the so called pirates a number of years ago, Yet when all came out apparently they where there on official Government business,

I still feel that artifacts whatever can be argued as a personal thing regarding what it may be,

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as for retrieving a cup and saucer and calling it 'personal items of the dead' is a misnomer. Those things were merely part of the ship's equipment--certainly not grave goods.


Good point.

As for raising Titanic even if it was not impossible to do the price to do it would probably be to high to make any profit from it.

After 96 years under water split in half plus the damage that would be caused by raising the ship there is not much they could do with what would be left except look at it, if it would be kept in one piece.


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