If you could https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/t14 Runboard| If you could en-us Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:19:07 +0000 Fri, 29 Mar 2024 09:19:07 +0000 https://www.runboard.com/ rssfeeds_managingeditor@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds managing editor) rssfeeds_webmaster@runboard.com (Runboard.com RSS feeds webmaster) akBBS 60 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165543,from=rss#post165543https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165543,from=rss#post165543That would be good but would not be possible because of the water pressure and it would be too dangerous to take a submarine inside. The only way is with the ROV’s.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:38:29 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165540,from=rss#post165540https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165540,from=rss#post165540quote:Thomas Dyer wrote: If you could dive to the wreck of Titanic, would you do it and what would you like to see the most? Tom This is unrealistic but this is what I would love to do if I ever dive to the Titanic. Once down at the wreack,I would wear a suba gear and walk around inside the Titanic,but I feel that might be to dangours,Titanic might cave in on top of me.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Ms Elle)Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:28:10 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165374,from=rss#post165374https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165374,from=rss#post165374Wonder how much it would cost to dive titanic in a sub.nondisclosed_email@example.com (James894325)Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:54:09 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165290,from=rss#post165290https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165290,from=rss#post165290I definitely would if I had the chance! would probably be a bit scared diving down.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Aloptia432)Sat, 31 Jan 2009 17:07:35 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165267,from=rss#post165267https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165267,from=rss#post165267I would dive to Titanic. I would like to see more of the inside! nondisclosed_email@example.com (James894325)Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:39:22 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165192,from=rss#post165192https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165192,from=rss#post165192Hi Tom that sounds interesting would love to see them, how do they prove the providence then?nondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 10 Jul 2008 07:31:59 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165188,from=rss#post165188https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165188,from=rss#post165188There are more items like that. I'll try to find them.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:37:56 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165183,from=rss#post165183https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165183,from=rss#post165183Realy heck missed that one :-)nondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:09:40 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165181,from=rss#post165181https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165181,from=rss#post165181There is also some very expensive golf clubs for sale made from Lusitania!nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Thu, 03 Jul 2008 21:51:58 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165167,from=rss#post165167https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165167,from=rss#post165167HI Tom Sad as it may be it does ring true unfortunately. I suppose it is cheaper than cataloging and preserving in the long run. Personally it is a shame and why not just leave it alone if this is the case Gnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:31:41 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165162,from=rss#post165162https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165162,from=rss#post165162I don’t know if it is true but I have read that metal from Lusitania has found its way to scrap yards.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Thu, 26 Jun 2008 03:01:05 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165157,from=rss#post165157https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165157,from=rss#post165157Hi Tom / Lights This is very true. nondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Wed, 25 Jun 2008 06:55:36 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165154,from=rss#post165154https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165154,from=rss#post165154quote:Thomas Dyer wrote: Graham, at least Titanic has not been salvaged in the same way a Lusitania. That makes me vey glad. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:20:40 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165152,from=rss#post165152https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165152,from=rss#post165152Graham, at least Titanic has not been salvaged in the same way a Lusitania. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:16:43 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165142,from=rss#post165142https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165142,from=rss#post165142HI Lights quote:As for the ship being brought up, I honestly don't think it can be done, at least not with the current technology available. However, I wouldn't rule it out either. Actually I think it would be possible today, but it would not be economical nor feasible.Plus I doubt they would get away with it politically either. Then there is the cost now that would not be cheep by anyones means. quote:The big problem is how to preserve whatever is left Too true they have bi problems now with preservation plus preserving a ship and artifacts are totally different in scale. I was invited to the Vasa museum last year http://www.vasamuseet.se/InEnglish/about.aspx the preservation of such a ship as this is like the Mary rose http://hnsa.org/ships/maryrose.htm is a fantastic job. As someone else has already stated the "Big Piece" is hard enough. Plus with the track record of companies who are supposed to look after these artifacts go who would trust them. I agree with your further statements although I still do not see why they had to salvage at all. Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Tue, 24 Jun 2008 06:42:44 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165139,from=rss#post165139https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165139,from=rss#post165139I think at this point that enough has been brought up from both the ship and the debris field. There is more than enough materiel for several exhibitions and at this point I believe that the ship has told us just about everything she ever will be able to. As for the ship being brought up, I honestly don't think it can be done, at least not with the current technology available. However, I wouldn't rule it out either. The big problem is how to preserve whatever is left of the ship should someone manage to bring her to the surface. I personally think that is the biggest hurdle to bringing her up next to the fact that her bow section is stuck pretty fast in the ooze. Even accounting for deterioration, I should think that several thousand tons of metal remain, so I don't see how she could be raised. W don't know for certain if those who perished would want their belongings on display and to me, since we do not know, they should be left alone. I am not upset with items such as china, crystal, some ship parts, etc. being brought up--in any case it is a fait accompli. However I do not see a need for continued salvage at this time.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:41:36 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165134,from=rss#post165134https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165134,from=rss#post165134quote:as for retrieving a cup and saucer and calling it 'personal items of the dead' is a misnomer. Those things were merely part of the ship's equipment--certainly not grave goods. Good point. As for raising Titanic even if it was not impossible to do the price to do it would probably be to high to make any profit from it. After 96 years under water split in half plus the damage that would be caused by raising the ship there is not much they could do with what would be left except look at it, if it would be kept in one piece. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Mon, 23 Jun 2008 23:58:27 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165119,from=rss#post165119https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165119,from=rss#post165119HI Seventh Great to see you around :-) In a way I do have to accept and indeed agree with you, And yes your closing comment is true and I apologies as I did rather mess that bit up:-) Still personally and it is my own opinion I do believe nothing should be brought up, The main problem been of course it to get authority to do anything about it as they will no doubt get a kick back in a way from any artifact. The second problem would be that of pirates I suppose, a lot was made about the so called pirates a number of years ago, Yet when all came out apparently they where there on official Government business, I still feel that artifacts whatever can be argued as a personal thing regarding what it may be, Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Mon, 23 Jun 2008 06:26:05 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165113,from=rss#post165113https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165113,from=rss#post165113The exhibits only cotain items gathered from the debris field and not out of the ship itself. I have seen the exhibit and if anything, it is more a memorial to those who were on her that night. Rather than ghoulish delight, it causes one to reflect more on those people, what they were like, what they felt, and who they were. Through the exhibit many more people come into a sort of contact with those people of then and ponder who they were--more so than if there were no exhibits. I would have to assume that those unfortunate people would rather be remembered--through their artifacts and lore--than to have died in futile anonymity. It keeps their memory alive. And Graham, as for retrieving a cup and saucer and calling it 'personal items of the dead' is a misnomer. Those things were merely part of the ship's equipment--certainly not grave goods. 7th~nondisclosed_email@example.com (7th officer)Sun, 22 Jun 2008 22:47:10 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165107,from=rss#post165107https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165107,from=rss#post165107HI Tom Unfortunately or fortunately depending on personal view, it would be impossible. Then again one should never say impossible, I was told that on a ship we was saving and we did it. You are correct of course that logistically it would be unfeasible as imagine how much of the ship is under ground in the silt sand whatever. We where asked to help in the raising of a old German sub not so long ago and that was a nightmare, to raise something the size and condition of the titanic to me and my own personal opinion today still impossible unless you do a complete excavation of the sea bed at the same time. Then of course you would have to find lifting gear for it. Read up on things like the Mary Rose, I know the jacking company for that job and speak to them on many occasions. Then look at a relatively modern day job like the Kursk, The Dutch company involved in that have some very interesting elements to add. I also know one of the people who was with that lift and he speaks a lot on it. Plus lets assume by some miracle that they do manage to find a company who would attempt it, If they was successfully what would you do with it It has to be preserved the outcry by millions of people regarding graves etc. It would be a red hot potato from the start and I doubt any person of sane appearance would go for it. This is not forgetting the cost of course. Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Sun, 22 Jun 2008 06:16:48 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165103,from=rss#post165103https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165103,from=rss#post165103I was talking to a group of people today who said they wanted to start a petition to raise the whole ship! Don’t think there is much chance of success for them Even if they could raise enough money and find a way to do it, which is impossible the ship would probably just fall apart by the time it got to the surface. Remember how difficult it was to raise the "big piece" it even sank for a second time.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:16:20 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165078,from=rss#post165078https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165078,from=rss#post165078Yes agreed but then the rov did not cause any damage in itself. nor did it collect any artifacts, (artifacts is the wrong word it should be personal items of the dead ) Gnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:45:17 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165077,from=rss#post165077https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165077,from=rss#post165077Would you ever visit an exhibition showing the items that have been raised? I have never been to one and I generally don’t agree with salvaging from Titanic but I’m not sure if it would stop me from visiting an exhibition and I know others have said the same.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:35:58 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165064,from=rss#post165064https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165064,from=rss#post165064Hi Lights Yes ok serious research in a way is ok as long as it does not include invasive means. If it can be found out without wrecking the wreck then ok but why oh why do they have to disturb graves to find a cup or saucer with no historical worth at all. Gnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Fri, 20 Jun 2008 06:29:43 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165058,from=rss#post165058https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165058,from=rss#post165058I'm with you Graham, though in principle I have no problem with serious scientific research and passive ROV exploration of the ship. Anything else is wrong. The artifacts brought up to supply the TITANIC exhibitions should have been left where theywere.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:35:54 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165051,from=rss#post165051https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165051,from=rss#post165051Judging by past ways I don't suppose they will leave it alone. Maybe if one of there relatives had died on it they might think different then again is there any respect left now a days? It should of got declared a "grave" many years ago, but then all companies are worried about is big profit. maybe now the bottom has fallen from things like this it may happen when they leave it alone, after all with the economic crisis all over the world would not the money be better spent on more pressing things. My take is it should of been left alone from the start and any objects should never of been lifted Grahamnondisclosed_email@example.com (graham 01)Thu, 19 Jun 2008 06:11:42 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165046,from=rss#post165046https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165046,from=rss#post165046I haven't heard anything recent, Tom. Let's hope it stays that way.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:39:21 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165042,from=rss#post165042https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165042,from=rss#post165042Yes, do you know if there are any plans to maybe salvage any more from the wreck? I agree that enough has been taken and that the wreck should only be looked at now. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:51:58 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165040,from=rss#post165040https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165040,from=rss#post165040I agree, Tom, that there should be ongoing documentation and study of the decomposition process, something I believe can be done with minimal disruption to the ship and her dead. This is a unique chance to document an interesting process as it applies to a ship in deep water. Sadly, Wolfldy, I do not believe much can be done to slow the ship's return to nature, nor given the rapacity of some in the "salvage" community, that may be all for the best. It is my sincere belief that enough artifacts have been brought up from both ship and debris field and it is time to cease retrieval of said artifacts. nondisclosed_email@example.com (Lights)Thu, 19 Jun 2008 03:38:24 +0000 Re: If you couldhttps://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165037,from=rss#post165037https://btomdyerstitanicsitecommunity.runboard.com/p165037,from=rss#post165037I still think that the wreck should without being damaged be looked at and in but only for historical and scientific purposes. It won’t be there forever. It would have been interesting if they had had the same technology to go inside the wreck in 1985 as they do today.nondisclosed_email@example.com (Thomas Dyer)Thu, 19 Jun 2008 00:42:19 +0000